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Crating a new puppy - advice needed

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We adopted a puppy about 3 weeks ago. She's a lab/German Shepard mix, and the family we adopted her from said they found a litter of puppies abandoned together. They felt she was born sometime in February. So, still very much a puppy...

We crated our first dog 15 years ago, but we remember that experience was different--it seemed easier for her to acclimate to it. She would whine for awhile at night but would eventually fall asleep. She died 3 years ago, so we're really out-of-touch when it comes to how we dealt with puppy stuff. Naturally, I thought I'd turn to you fine folks for help.

We have a crate/cage, and I made a cover for it where she can only look out the front (where the grate is) because we read that it can help the dog feel secure. We put her there when we're at work then let her out when we get home. We've had it in our laundry room then moved it to our bedroom. However, and this is probably a sh*tty move on our parts, we let her sleep in our bed because she would whine, cry (sometimes for as long as 2 hours) which would keep us and our kids from falling asleep. I know--the puppy won that battle--we gave in.

Today, my wife went home at lunch to let her out, and she puked 5 or 6 times when she was let out into the yard, and my wife had to chase her down to put her back in the crate. We thought the puking was due to anxiety, but she may have also eaten something that didn't agree with her. Nevertheless, she obviously hate the cage. We read that we need to have it more out in the open, possibly feed her, put treats in there, and not just have it as a place she goes when we leave or when we lay down at night.

So, I know we screwed up by letting her stay in our bed, but should we return to putting her there at night? Just endure the whining, crying regardless of how long it takes? Anything we can do to ease her, such as the aforementioned suggestions of making it less of a punishment? I would appreciate any suggestions you all may have!
 
Let your "no" mean no and your "yes" mean yes. Puppies and toddlers are remarkably similar when it comes to "house training."

Saying "no" when you really mean "yes" -- letting the puppy sleep in your bed for even one night -- makes the whole process last a lot longer than it should. The shortest and least painful experience for everyone involved is for the ADULTS to put their foot down and stick to it, regardless how much it hurts at the moment. "I can't stand it when he whines," is a bs excuse. Be the adult, whether it's puppies or kids.

If you tell a toddler "No, you can't have any candy," five times at WalMart and then let him pick out some candy 'because mommy and daddy feel sorry for him when he gets "that look" on his face,' what have you taught him? -- "Hmm. Sixth time's the charm! Thanks Dad, that's all I needed to know!"

Having said that, I will add that you have to be smart enough to go the other way as well: REWARD the behavior you want to see! Praise the kid or the puppy with a tangible reward. There's nothing wrong with a treat -- as long as they understand that their good behavior has led you give out the reward. But you have to be consistent with praise just like extinction. When they are very young, you have to reward the right behavior as often as possible AND heap verbal and physical praise on them at the same time.

Very quickly they learn to associate the good behavior with reward AND praise. Then slowly you can remove the rewards as the praise becomes just as good a reinforcer to the puppy or child. The aim is for the dog to behave well for a simple "Good dog!" and a pat on the head.

Likewise, you don't want to be slipping your kid an M&M every time he picks up his socks as a 12-year-old. By that time he should know that a heart-felt "thank you" from mom and dad is enough reward for day-to-day behavior. Once in a while when you do something fun with the kids (even if it's something that YOU really want to do), tell them the event is a reward for them because they did a or b or c, and list several things they did recently that you were proud of. (it can be small stuff!)

Sorry if I sound preachy about this. Simple behaviorism is a passion of mine which is "reinforced" every time I go into a public setting with lots of parents and kids. Many parents have no clue. Raising kids (or puppies) shouldn't take years off your life.
 
I bet if you enforce the crate at night for a few day, max a week, the puppy will learn the crate is where to be at night. We crate train our labs. When they were puppies I would immediately discipline them when the whined in the crate. Couple of long nights, but I told them and banged lightly on crate when they would whine. Probably took 4 nights.

They are dogs now. We now never close the crate. In fact, doors are not even on. Dog still goes there occassionly during the day. At night she sleeps on bed for about 45 minutes and on her own climb down and get in their crate.

A couple of tips.
1) Feeding. From day one we never let her eat when we put the food in the bowl. We had her stand by the bowl until we gave her a command to eat. Still do that to this day and she is 6 years old.
2) Coming inside home. She is mostly an inside dog, but every time she comes inside she has to wait until a command is given to come inside. Even yesterday I opened the door and spoke to her for about 20 seconds before finally giving her the command that she could come inside.
3) Knowing your yard. Our dog will not leave our yard. We could leave her in the front yard alone and people and dogs will come by on the street but she won't leave the yard. This took awhile. Strong discipline when she was young whenever she walked into the street or went to neighbors yard.

A couple of things I don't know about dogs.
How can I get a lab not to shed.
Why does my dog think the pool is better water to drink than her dog bowl.
Stop continually eating acorns in the yard.
 
Our puppy is 5 months old. A rescue we flew in from Playa about 2 months ago now. She sleeps with us, but crates in the morning before Betty goes to work. She whined a bit at first, but now when my wife is getting ready the dog just goes and gets in the crate and is either playing in there or already asleep when she leaves. Didn't take long at all. House broken was easy. Sit, shake, lay down, easy.

Hard part....lose leash walking and not pulling. Jumping on people dogs etc, and liking to bite which is my fault as we play rough and those damn baby teeth are like glass! Of course she's still just a puppy and is one of those energetic ones that loves to play, walk, run, and never stops, but when she does she crashes.

I go to work early so she likes to go to bed at 8:30pm and sleeps as late as she can get away with. The wife has never wanted a dog, but fell in love with this one when she was rescued off the streets. Now the dog is everything to the wife and I'm the help.
 
Take her to the nearest egg roll express and park in the back. Show her all the "bad doggies" that go in the back and never come out. Explain to her that if she doesn't shape up...that will be her. I think I saw this on an episode of the Dog Whisper!
 
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Take her to the nearest egg roll express and park in the back. Show her all the "bad doggies" that go in the back and never come out. Explain to her that if she doesn't shape up...that will be her. I think I saw this on an episode of the Dog Whisper!

From one smartass to another, well played!!
 
Looks like the egg roll express threat made the most difference compared to all of the advice in this thread. The lil' gal has made great strides!

On a different note--anyone know why she is scratching/nibbling the absolute hell out of her back, feet...pretty much anywhere on her body? A co-worker said it could be because her puppy "coat" is changing hair, but I don't think that's the case (cause you know, I'm such a dog expert). I really don't think it's fleas because we've sprayed our yard and have seen no evidence of it. Someone else said it's because her skin/coat is so dry from the type of dog food we've given her. She hardly rests because she's scratching and biting various areas around her body most of the time.

Looking forward to the real & sarcastic responses to this one! o_O
 
Looks like the egg roll express threat made the most difference compared to all of the advice in this thread. The lil' gal has made great strides!

On a different note--anyone know why she is scratching/nibbling the absolute hell out of her back, feet...pretty much anywhere on her body? A co-worker said it could be because her puppy "coat" is changing hair, but I don't think that's the case (cause you know, I'm such a dog expert). I really don't think it's fleas because we've sprayed our yard and have seen no evidence of it. Someone else said it's because her skin/coat is so dry from the type of dog food we've given her. She hardly rests because she's scratching and biting various areas around her body most of the time.

Looking forward to the real & sarcastic responses to this one! o_O

You forgot the @Been Jammin on this one.
 
Looks like the egg roll express threat made the most difference compared to all of the advice in this thread. The lil' gal has made great strides!

On a different note--anyone know why she is scratching/nibbling the absolute hell out of her back, feet...pretty much anywhere on her body? A co-worker said it could be because her puppy "coat" is changing hair, but I don't think that's the case (cause you know, I'm such a dog expert). I really don't think it's fleas because we've sprayed our yard and have seen no evidence of it. Someone else said it's because her skin/coat is so dry from the type of dog food we've given her. She hardly rests because she's scratching and biting various areas around her body most of the time.

Looking forward to the real & sarcastic responses to this one! o_O

The itching could be any of the following.


-dry skin from too frequent bathing or related to diet.
-failure to thoroughly rinse off shampoo after a bath
-Fungal (yeast) skin infection
-Mange (Sarcoptic or Demodectic)
-Fleas
-Bacterial skin infection
-Something less common.

I do see some mild itching in some puppies as they grow and their skin/hair-coat go through changes, but what you describe sounds like more than that. I suggest you make a visit to your veterinarian.
 
Our puppy is 5 months old. A rescue we flew in from Playa about 2 months ago now. She sleeps with us, but crates in the morning before Betty goes to work. She whined a bit at first, but now when my wife is getting ready the dog just goes and gets in the crate and is either playing in there or already asleep when she leaves. Didn't take long at all. House broken was easy. Sit, shake, lay down, easy.
But how hard was it to get through the language barrier?
 
Every time I read the thread title I think it's creating a puppy. Which I believe isn't too hard with the right ingredients.
 
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She's finally stopped the incessant scratching. Now, it's only once-in-awhile. Thanks to all for your advice!

Also, this is how you can create a dog:

Dog1.jpg
 
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