CBO score for new Senate Healthcare bill
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How many uninsured will there be if we just let Obamacare naturally evaporate?
Take that answer...which I have no idea...and subtract their 22 million figure and you'll have the benefit of this new proposal.
Take that answer...which I have no idea...and subtract their 22 million figure and you'll have the benefit of this new proposal.
Starting to think that letting Obamacare crash and burn is the best strategy.
This monstrosity is way too complex to fix -- and the GOP establishment is equally bad as the Dem establishment when it comes to creating terrible bills.
Plus, the single most important part of healthcare (by far) is managing your own health, through living a healthy lifestyle. (Obamacare has nothing to do with that)
It's better for the American people to watch Obamacare crash and burn, while getting healthier.
All these government solutions fail while wasting trillions of dollars.......
This monstrosity is way too complex to fix -- and the GOP establishment is equally bad as the Dem establishment when it comes to creating terrible bills.
Plus, the single most important part of healthcare (by far) is managing your own health, through living a healthy lifestyle. (Obamacare has nothing to do with that)
It's better for the American people to watch Obamacare crash and burn, while getting healthier.
All these government solutions fail while wasting trillions of dollars.......
Obamacare was never about making Americans healthier.
I have.
We're already the most medicated society in the world (by a long ways), yet we fare worse in many health outcomes to less medicated nations.
Drugs and surgeries are inferior to preventing illness --- and most health conditions are preventable.
"Chronic diseases are responsible for 7 of 10 deaths each year, and treating people with chronic diseases accounts for 86% of our nation’s health care costs. "
Source: https://www.cdc.gov/chronicdisease/index.htm
"Chronic diseases and conditions—such as heart disease, stroke, cancer, type 2 diabetes, obesity, and arthritis—are among the most common, costly, and preventable of all health problems."
Source: https://www.cdc.gov/chronicdisease/about/prevention.htm
Indicative of what? Perhaps a system out whack with best outcomes compared to the baseline countries we are measuring against?I have.
We're already the most medicated society in the world (by a long ways), yet we fare poorly on most health outcomes and lifestyle indexes.
Drugs and surgeries are inferior to preventing illness --- and most health conditions are preventable.
"Chronic diseases are responsible for 7 of 10 deaths each year, and treating people with chronic diseases accounts for 86% of our nation’s health care costs. "
Source: https://www.cdc.gov/chronicdisease/index.htm
"Chronic diseases and conditions—such as heart disease, stroke, cancer, type 2 diabetes, obesity, and arthritis—are among the most common, costly, and preventable of all health problems."
Source: https://www.cdc.gov/chronicdisease/about/prevention.htm
True story. It was nothing but a giant Medicaid expansion with taxpayer money guaranteeing insurance company profits in exchange for dumping high utilization people into everyone else's risk pool. We can thank Marco Rubio for torpedoing the risk corridor provision.
No pill or surgery can counteract an unhealthy lifestyle. (Bad diet, lack of exercise, smoking cigs etc)
Obamacare was a pharmaceutical solution to mass lifestyle-induced chronic illnesses.
Look at the CDC info I posted above.
So is this inevitable outcome of a free and prosperous society? Or do the Canadians score better because they have a stronger moral fiber?
We're just an unhealthy country, a generation ago no one got Diabetes II until their mid-40s. Now it's an epidemic among teenagers. Our diets grossly suck and are too high in processed sugars and carbs. Not nearly enough people exercise. Then you throw stuff such as smoking on top of it. Just a grossly unhealthy country.
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Have any of them been exposed to the USDA food pyramid concept for decades? Have they thrown large amounts of high fructose corn syrup into everything imaginable?
The answer is no to both. The US consumes more sugar and fat per capita than any other country in the world. If you're looking for an honest answer about health in the US, this is it.
If we remove the 'tax' portion of Obama care, how is any of this now constitutional?
What specifically enumerated power listed in the Constitution would this authority fall under?
What specifically enumerated power listed in the Constitution would this authority fall under?
Good thing the CBO is always right. How many of those 22 million choose to be uninsured? With a few exceptions, if the only way you can afford health insurance is have other people pay for it, then the system that promulgates that is BS and needs to spiral to an ignominious death.
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# insured is a shitty metric anyway. Welcome to the healthcare utopia where everyone has insurance. Unfortunately the deductibles are so high it's useless.
Part of the carrot Obama used to get insurance company support.
The only way they got buy in from the insurance industry was to assure them that the government would cover their losses.
The only problem is they didn't put a mandate for it in the bill it was going to be through executive action. Congress and now Trump pissed in that punch bowl and now the insurance companies are running for the hills.
If I was Trump I'd let the whole thing explode and hang it all on the Dem's and moderate Republican's. They are terrified of taking away even one dollar of promised giveaways.
To them stopping the automatic increases in Medicaid is a "cut" which is what the Republicans are actually proposing.
The only problem is they didn't put a mandate for it in the bill it was going to be through executive action. Congress and now Trump pissed in that punch bowl and now the insurance companies are running for the hills.
If I was Trump I'd let the whole thing explode and hang it all on the Dem's and moderate Republican's. They are terrified of taking away even one dollar of promised giveaways.
To them stopping the automatic increases in Medicaid is a "cut" which is what the Republicans are actually proposing.
The moment they monkeyed with the funding failure was on Trump and the GOPs hands... I agree let it all come crashing down. Nothing better heading into midterms than a pissed off proletariat...
The Obama administration kept the funding failure component out of the bill so the public wouldn't know about it and raise hell about more future bailouts.
If they didn't want that part to be monkeyed with they had two options, keep control of government (fail) or put it in the legislation (also fail). They screwed themselves by giving that power to the bureaucracy, I support what the GOP and Trump Admin has done in not bailing the insurance companies out.
The thing the general public doesn't understand about Obamacare is that being "covered" doesn't mean medical bills are getting paid. The sky high deductibles that are now common are leaving the patient with large bills and providers still not getting paid.
The "general public's" head is so far up the "free shit" cavity, they don't get it.
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