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Why does every GOP candidate fall into the BigPharma-prison-industrial-complex line about marijuana being 'dangerous'? (in her own words)





Also in her own words, this is what killed her step daughter:

What we didn’t know until much later was that behind the scenes in those seemingly happy, high- functioning years, Lori began abusing prescription drugs. Not long after graduation she got her own apartment, met a man, and eventually got married. Her marriage would take her to Richmond, Virginia, for a time. There her drug use got worse.

Like so many high-achieving young women, Lori also struggled with bulimia for years. Despite her repeated stays in rehab, the combination of bulimia, alcoholism, and drug abuse took its toll. She was divorced and living in New Jersey when she died.

http://nypost.com/2015/09/20/carly-fiorina-in-her-own-words-on-her-stepdaughters-death/
 
Why does every GOP candidate fall into the BigPharma-prison-industrial-complex line about marijuana being 'dangerous'? (in her own words)





Also in her own words, this is what killed her step daughter:

What we didn’t know until much later was that behind the scenes in those seemingly happy, high- functioning years, Lori began abusing prescription drugs. Not long after graduation she got her own apartment, met a man, and eventually got married. Her marriage would take her to Richmond, Virginia, for a time. There her drug use got worse.

Like so many high-achieving young women, Lori also struggled with bulimia for years. Despite her repeated stays in rehab, the combination of bulimia, alcoholism, and drug abuse took its toll. She was divorced and living in New Jersey when she died.

http://nypost.com/2015/09/20/carly-fiorina-in-her-own-words-on-her-stepdaughters-death/


Thought her answer was pretty good.
 
Did i miss where she blamed marijuana? Nothing about what she said was out of line, and i am very much into the legalization/de-criminalization of most recreational drugs.

I am more interested in how she handles her PP "testimonial" than i am this. Would you have been happy if she just said her daughter had demons and an addictive personality?
 
Missed the video...even then,nothing she said was oit of line, in fact, i think she nailed it. De-criminalize, but educate and be accurate. Such a bitch??
 
It sounded to me that she supports the rights of the states to determine whether or not to legalize. I know she completely supports medical marijuana. In my eyes that is the perfect position for a Presidential candidate to take.
 
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Well, I suppose her answer (supporting states rights) *IS* GOP progress on the issue.

But even portraying marijuana as 'more dangerous than drinking a beer' is scientifically dubious, regardless of how much stronger today's marijuana is. (and yes, it is a LOT stronger)



Let's remember, the toxic, sugary foods people eat have resulted in 69% of American adults being overweight and obese (and 1/3 of children being overweight or obese -- check the CDC data) -- which causes heart disease, stroke, type 2 diabetes and cancer (these are all dangerous and preventable medical conditions that cause DEATH - something marijuana doesn't do).


Not to mention, ask any athlete or fit person to compare the effects of the following substances on their athletic performance:

- marijuana
- alcohol
- sugar

People can perform athletically at high levels (no pun intended) while high on powerful weed (or a few hours after doing it), with no worries (even people who smoke marijuana for 20 years have minimal lung damage from it - see this published study).......but try playing full-court basketball after drinking a beer (or after drinking a can of soda).

LOL
 
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I think you are reaching here. You can call all three dangerous if you choose. And who would i think of when discussing scientific evaluations but to ask an athlete! I usually am on board with your social views, but you are off on this one.
 
It's only a reach (marijuana's effect on athletic performance) because it hasn't been properly studied yet.

Remember, marijuana has been a schedule 1 drug, which makes it extremely difficult to even be legally allowed to study it.

I'm super-fit and health conscious, eat clean, work out (weights and jump rope) regularly (and have for years).......and I can instantly feel the performance effects of anything I put in my body, as any athlete can. What we put into our bodies is 80% of our results (unless we're genetic superfreaks like Dez or Floyd Mayweather).

I don't have any problems jumping rope / working out the day after marijuana, even if I was to do a lot (which I don't - plus remember you don't even have to smoke mj, vaping is the safer alternative).

But the day after drinking alcohol, even if it's just a couple drinks.......we all notice.

Even Dana White has said 80% of the MMA (some of the fittest people on earth) smoke marijuana.

I LOVE this subject by the way.

We've been told decades of lies that were never based on science.......similar to people being told to stop eating eggs and high-fat foods in the 1970s (eat 'low-fat' foods instead). Also not based on science, and wrecked our nation's health.
 
I can agree that more study is needed. I will do a quick pub-med search as there is quite a bit of information available on it, including lethal doses. I can also agree that much has been exaggerated (see reefer madness). That said, marijuana is class 1 here, but not everywhere, and other countries are capable of good research :)
 
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Hit reply too soon. You are also requiring scientific data from others while offering only anecdote yourself. Again, i am all for legalizing it, but being a bit more informative (with supportive data) is always a good thing.
 
Only effects I ever felt the next day from burning a fat blunt was I was always more tired the next day after smoking vs not smoking. Other then that nothing. I would rather a guy smoke a blunt and get behind the wheel then a guy slamming a 12 pack and getting behind the wheel. Although either should never happen. I also think if you legalize pot it will stop being a gateway drug also because college kids won't have a drug dealer who also is trying to push coke, meth, ecstasy and heroine. Which they make a lot more money off then pot sales. This is such a dumb topic IMO though as it doesn't stop those from smoking who want to and as long as you smoke in your home and aren't dumb you should never really get in trouble either.

One other note on this. If they legalize it it will stop the cartels from coming up here in our national parks and making a huge mess. I tell you it would be a weird world though if you drove by a farmers field and saw nothing but rows of pot.

I agree though how stupid the government has been making this drug a schedule 1. Maybe the dumbest move since prohibition. I mean it is a plant for gods sake how is it more lethal then meth and heroine?? I take a stomach pill for an issue I have. If I go off this drug I will have withdraws from it and it will suck. Also this stuff can cause all kinds of muscle problem and it can cause some muscular disease also. I have been on this stuff for like 3 years now and it clearly says to only be on it for 6 weeks. No one cares though they just refill my script and have no real desire to help me find another solution. Big Pharma though.... Just my 2 cents.

I think this is as good as it will get with any GOP candidate though
 
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Only effects I ever felt the next day from burning a fat blunt was I was always more tired the next day after smoking vs not smoking. Other then that nothing. I would rather a guy smoke a blunt and get behind the wheel then a guy slamming a 12 pack and getting behind the wheel. Although either should never happen. I also think if you legalize pot it will stop being a gateway drug also because college kids won't have a drug dealer who also is trying to push coke, meth, ecstasy and heroine. Which they make a lot more money off then pot sales. This is such a dumb topic IMO though as it doesn't stop those from smoking who want to and as long as you smoke in your home and aren't dumb you should never really get in trouble either.

One other note on this. If they legalize it it will stop the cartels from coming up here in our national parks and making a huge mess. I tell you it would be a weird world though if you drove by a farmers field and saw nothing but rows of pot.

I agree though how stupid the government has been making this drug a schedule 1. Maybe the dumbest move since prohibition. I mean it is a plant for gods sake how is it more lethal then meth and heroine?? I take a stomach pill for an issue I have. If I go off this drug I will have withdraws from it and it will suck. Also this stuff can cause all kinds of muscle problem and it can cause some muscular disease also. I have been on this stuff for like 3 years now and it clearly says to only be on it for 6 weeks. No one cares though they just refill my script and have no real desire to help me find another solution. Big Pharma though.... Just my 2 cents.

I think this is as good as it will get with any GOP candidate though
They could also start a thriving hemp industry. Put the farmers to work growing low-THC hemp, open up closed factories to produce the over 27,000 products made from hemp and hire the unemployed.
 
I would argue that for a teen marijuana is more dangerous than alcohol. Not in a setting, but frequent use. By frequent I don't mean daily.

Personally, while I think recreational use by an adult should be legal, im fine with here views.
 
Why does every GOP candidate fall into the BigPharma-prison-industrial-complex line about marijuana being 'dangerous'? (in her own words)



Also in her own words, this is what killed her step daughter:

What we didn’t know until much later was that behind the scenes in those seemingly happy, high- functioning years, Lori began abusing prescription drugs. Not long after graduation she got her own apartment, met a man, and eventually got married. Her marriage would take her to Richmond, Virginia, for a time. There her drug use got worse.

Like so many high-achieving young women, Lori also struggled with bulimia for years. Despite her repeated stays in rehab, the combination of bulimia, alcoholism, and drug abuse took its toll. She was divorced and living in New Jersey when she died.

http://nypost.com/2015/09/20/carly-fiorina-in-her-own-words-on-her-stepdaughters-death/
 
Why does every GOP candidate fall into the BigPharma-prison-industrial-complex line about marijuana being 'dangerous'? (in her own words)





Also in her own words, this is what killed her step daughter:

What we didn’t know until much later was that behind the scenes in those seemingly happy, high- functioning years, Lori began abusing prescription drugs. Not long after graduation she got her own apartment, met a man, and eventually got married. Her marriage would take her to Richmond, Virginia, for a time. There her drug use got worse.

Like so many high-achieving young women, Lori also struggled with bulimia for years. Despite her repeated stays in rehab, the combination of bulimia, alcoholism, and drug abuse took its toll. She was divorced and living in New Jersey when she died.

http://nypost.com/2015/09/20/carly-fiorina-in-her-own-words-on-her-stepdaughters-death/

Not sure what your complaint is. She basically said 'drugs are bad m'kay? But the war on drugs didn't work and too many people are in jail for them.'

She said in the debate that it should be a states rights issue. Her position is perfect for a GOP candidate. You know I'm a libertarian leaning guy and I agree with you about pot, but a pube candidate coming out pro legalization isn't going to happen anytime soon.

One recognizing that it is a personal liberty that should be a states rights question is massive progress however.

Remember her answer juxtaposed to Chris Christie's answer on the same topic where he restated that he would use federal storm troopers to enforce federal marijuana laws if elected.
 
And still the border is like a sieve. The war on drugs is a colossal failure and should only be considered a federal jobs program.
 
So...as promised studies:
Neuropsychopharmacology. 2015 Sep 21. doi: 10.1038/npp.2015.295. [Epub ahead of print]
Adolescent Δ9-Tetrahydrocannabinol Exposure Alters WIN55,212-2 Self-Administration in Adult Rats.
Scherma M1, Dessì C1, Muntoni AL2,3, Lecca S1, Satta V1, Luchicchi A1, Pistis M1,2,3, Panlilio LV4, Fattore L2,3, Goldberg SR4, Fratta W1,3, Fadda P1,3.
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Abstract
Cannabis is the most commonly used illicit drug worldwide, and use is typically initiated during adolescence. The endocannabinoid system plays an important role in formation of the nervous system, from very early development through adolescence. Cannabis exposure during this vulnerable period might lead to neurobiological changes that affect adult brain functions and increase the risk of cannabis use disorder. The aim of this study was to investigate whether exposure to Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) in adolescent rats might enhance reinforcing effects of cannabinoids in adulthood. Male adolescent rats were treated with increasing doses of THC (or its vehicle) twice/day for 11 consecutive days (PND 45-55). When the animals reached adulthood, they were tested by allowing them to intravenously self-administer the cannabinoid CB1-receptor agonist WIN55,212-2. In a separate set of animals given the same THC (or vehicle) treatment regimen, electrophysiological and neurochemical experiments were performed to assess possible modifications of the mesolimbic dopaminergic system, which is critically involved in cannabinoid-induced reward. Behavioral data showed that acquisition of WIN55,212-2 self-administration was enhanced in THC-exposed rats relative to vehicle-exposed controls. Neurophysiological data showed that THC-exposed rats displayed a reduced capacity for WIN55,212-2 to stimulate firing of dopamine neurons in the ventral tegmental area and to increase dopamine levels in the nucleus accumbens shell. These findings-that early, passive exposure to THC can produce lasting alterations of the reward system of the brain and subsequently increase cannabinoid self-administration in adulthood-suggest a mechanism by which adolescent cannabisexposure could increase the risk of subsequent cannabis dependence in humans.Neuropsychopharmacology accepted article preview online, 21 September 2015. doi:10.1038/npp.2015.295.


Biol Psychiatry. 2015 Aug 12. pii: S0006-3223(15)00647-2. doi: 10.1016/j.biopsych.2015.08.001. [Epub ahead of print]
Association Between Cannabis and Psychosis: Epidemiologic Evidence.
Gage SH1, Hickman M2, Zammit S2.
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Abstract
Associations between cannabis use and psychotic outcomes are consistently reported, but establishing causality from observational designs can be problematic. We review the evidence from longitudinal studies that have examined this relationship and discuss the epidemiologic evidence for and against interpreting the findings as causal. We also review the evidence identifying groups at particularly high risk of developing psychosis from using cannabis. Overall, evidence from epidemiologic studies provides strong enough evidence to warrant a public health message that cannabis use can increase the risk of psychotic disorders. However, further studies are required to determine the magnitude of this effect, to determine the effect of different strains of cannabis on risk, and to identify high-risk groups particularly susceptible to the effects of cannabis on psychosis. We also discuss complementary epidemiologic methods that can help address these questions.

Copyright © 2015 Society of Biological Psychiatry. Published by Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.

KEYWORDS:
Cannabis; Epidemiology; Longitudinal studies; Marijuana; Psychosis; Schizophrenia


Am J Prev Med. 2015 Sep 15. pii: S0749-3797(15)00400-6. doi: 10.1016/j.amepre.2015.06.034. [Epub ahead of print]
Public Health Effects of Medical Marijuana Legalization in Colorado.
Davis JM1, Mendelson B2, Berkes JJ3, Suleta K3, Corsi KF3, Booth RE3.
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Abstract
INTRODUCTION:
The public health consequences of the legalization of marijuana, whether for medical or recreational purposes, are little understood. Despite this, numerous states are considering medical or recreational legalization. In the context of abrupt changes in marijuana policy in 2009 in Colorado, the authors sought to investigate corresponding changes in marijuana-related public health indicators.

METHODS:
This observational, ecologic study used an interrupted time-series analysis to identify changes in public healthindicators potentially related to broad policy changes that occurred in 2009. This was records-based research from the state of Colorado and Denver metropolitan area. Data were collected to examine frequency and trends of marijuana-related outcomes in hospital discharges and poison center calls between time periods before and after 2009 and adjusted for population. Analyses were conducted in 2014.

RESULTS:
Hospital discharges coded as marijuana-dependent increased 1% per month (95% CI=0.8, 1.1, p<0.001) from 2007 to 2013. A change in trend was detected in poison center calls mentioning marijuana (p<0.01). After 2009, poison center calls increased 0.8% per month (95% CI=0.2, 1.4, p<0.01). Poison center calls also increased 56% (95% CI=49%, 63%, p<0.001) in the period following the policy change. Further, there was one hospital discharge coded as dependent for every 3,159 (95% CI=2465, 3853, p<0.001) medical marijuana registrant applications.

CONCLUSIONS:
The abrupt nature of these changes suggests public health effects related to broad policy changes associated with marijuana. This report may be used to assist in policy decisions regarding the short-term public healtheffects of marijuana legalization.

Copyright © 2015 American Journal of Preventive Medicine. Published by Elsevier Inc. All rights reserved.
 
Drug Alcohol Depend. 2015 Jun 24. pii: S0376-8716(15)00315-4. doi: 10.1016/j.drugalcdep.2015.06.016. [Epub ahead of print]
Cortical thinness and volume differences associated with marijuana abuse in emerging adults.
Mashhoon Y1, Sava S2, Sneider JT3, Nickerson LD4, Silveri MM3.
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BACKGROUND:
The prevalence of marijuana (MJ) use among youth and its legalization for medical or recreational use has intensified public health endeavors of understanding MJ effects on brain structure and function. Studies indicate that MJ use is related to impaired cognitive performance, and altered functional brain activation and chemistry in adolescents and adults, but MJ effects on brain morphology in emerging adults are less understood.

METHODS:
Fifteen MJ users (age 21.8±3.6, 2 females) and 15 non-user (NU) participants (age 22.3±3.5, 2 females) were included, demographically matched on age, education and alcohol use. High-resolution structural MR images were acquired at 3Tesla. Cortical thickness (CT) and volumetric analyses were performed using Freesurfer. A priori regions of interest (ROI) included orbitofrontal and cingulate cortices, amygdala, hippocampus and thalamus.

RESULTS:
Whole brain CT analysis did not result in significant group differences in a priori ROIs but revealed MJ users had significantly less CT (i.e., thinness) in right fusiform gyrus (rFG) compared to NU (p<0.05). Thalamic volume was significantly smaller in MJ users compared to NU (right, p=0.05; left, p=0.01) and associated with greater non-planning (p<0.01) and overall impulsivity (p=0.04). There were no other group differences.

CONCLUSIONS:
RFG cortical thinness and smaller thalamic volume in emerging adults is associated with MJ abuse. Furthermore, smaller thalamic volume associated with greater impulsivity contributes to growing evidence that the thalamus is neurobiologically perturbed by MJ use. Collectively, altered thalamic and rFG structural integrity may interfere with their known roles in regulating visuoperceptual and object information processing.

Copyright © 2015 Elsevier Ireland Ltd. All rights reserved.
 
There are many more, and i stuck with a smaller study focus (psychosis) with some physiological evidence. All of these are recent. There is a lot more available.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed

Non-biases, peer-reviewed studies. Not media.
 
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Well, I suppose her answer (supporting states rights) *IS* GOP progress on the issue.

But even portraying marijuana as 'more dangerous than drinking a beer' is scientifically dubious, regardless of how much stronger today's marijuana is. (and yes, it is a LOT stronger)



Let's remember, the toxic, sugary foods people eat have resulted in 69% of American adults being overweight and obese (and 1/3 of children being overweight or obese -- check the CDC data) -- which causes heart disease, stroke, type 2 diabetes and cancer (these are all dangerous and preventable medical conditions that cause DEATH - something marijuana doesn't do).


Not to mention, ask any athlete or fit person to compare the effects of the following substances on their athletic performance:

- marijuana
- alcohol
- sugar

People can perform athletically at high levels (no pun intended) while high on powerful weed (or a few hours after doing it), with no worries (even people who smoke marijuana for 20 years have minimal lung damage from it - see this published study).......but try playing full-court basketball after drinking a beer (or after drinking a can of soda).

LOL
Disagree on foods making people fat. Lifestyles make people fat. People are extremely more lazy today than ever. We could eat a lot of sugar, drink whole milk and eat excessively growing up, but we burned it off by biking, swimming, playing sports, etc..Not sitting on our ass in front of 500 channels, video games or phones. People today are quick to blame things other than themselves for the fooking problems.

As far as weed, I'm to the point where I really don't care. I think it should be a state issue, but cringe when the smokers of it think they should have the right to do it anywhere they please.
 
TPoke it should be treated like liquor or beer in the sense of where it is consumed. I agree 100%.
 
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Disagree on foods making people fat. Lifestyles make people fat. People are extremely more lazy today than ever. We could eat a lot of sugar, drink whole milk and eat excessively growing up, but we burned it off by biking, swimming, playing sports, etc..Not sitting on our ass in front of 500 channels, video games or phones. People today are quick to blame things other than themselves for the fooking problems.

As far as weed, I'm to the point where I really don't care. I think it should be a state issue, but cringe when the smokers of it think they should have the right to do it anywhere they please.

As food goes, sugar is a huge factor in obesity, cancer and heart disease. So is the government's bullshit food pyramid and the demonization of dietary fats. Lifestyle is a huge factor but diet is the biggest priblem. High carb meals and massive portions.

Heart disease, diabetes and obesity weren't even relevant things 100 years ago.
 
There are many more, and i stuck with a smaller study focus (psychosis) with some physiological evidence. All of these are recent. There is a lot more available.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed

Non-biases, peer-reviewed studies. Not media.

Thanks for posting proper studies.

Of course, nobody can say marijuana is completely harmless. Nothing on earth is completely harmless.

We can die from nearly anything, like drinking too much water. Lots of supplements can cause us to overdose, etc etc etc.

Even breathing oxygen is killing us.



For teens with still-developing brains, marijuana clearly has negative effects and must be restricted (as is happening with the regulations in Colorado). Nobody can argue against this.

But again, compared to the toxic foods people are eating, or even alcohol, marijuana is remarkably benign.

"Getting wasted" in college is part of the All American experience for our best and brightest minds, but yet:

"U.S. researchers found that just one night of heavy drinking could be enough to have significant negative impacts upon health.

They say this is because it causes bacteria to leak from the gut, causing increased levels of toxins in the blood.

The researchers, at the University of Massachusetts Medical School, say these toxins cause the body to produce immune cells involved in fever, inflammation and tissue destruction.

‘We found that a single alcohol binge can elicit an immune response, potentially impacting the health of an otherwise healthy individual,’ said lead author Gyongyi Szabo, a professor of medicine at the university.

Our observations suggest that an alcohol binge is more dangerous than previously thought.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...g-session-damage-health-potentially-life.html
 
I think we are in quite a bit of agreement. Based off of that, I still do not get your comment against fiorina. Legalize it if you chose (we should), but educate the general population. There are programs discussing food safety, alcohol (and alcoholism), and many other readily available items.

On marijuana specifically, i stuck with psychotropic and to a lesser degree, developmental defects (many similar to alcohol). There are many other affects outside of that. Alcohol has been available openly for a long time, so there are more, and perhaps better proven, long term effects. There are many with marijuana, but more are coming, and the health "benefits" are showing to be greatly exaggerated. That is why i support the wholesale de-criminalization of it, but will not support it being legalized only for medical purposes. I know that is a tad hypocritical of me, but so what?
 
Carbonated drinks will make you feel like you are out of breath, if you have every been off them long enough to ever tell
 
We're decades of studies away from science proving many of the benefits, as that is how science works.

Here's a really good (and balanced) National Geographic article with scientists on the forefront of research. All the scientists are emphasizing caution, patience and tempering emotions (as good scientists do), but here's a really interesting passage on hemp:


"It’s such an interesting plant, such a valuable plant,” says Nolan Kane, who specializes in evolutionary biology. “It’s been around for millions of years, and it’s one of man’s oldest crops. And yet there are so many basic problems that need to be answered. Where did it come from? How and why did it evolve? Why does it make all these suites of compounds? We don’t even know how many species there are.”

We’re standing in a laboratory greenhouse on the campus of the University of Colorado Boulder looking at ten hemp plants that Kane recently procured for research purposes. They’re spindly, stalky little things, like gangling teenagers, a far cry from the lascivious crop that Hague had shown me. These plants, like nearly all hemp varieties, carry extremely low levels of THC.

They may not look threatening, but their very presence here, in the confines of a major university lab, represents years of wrangling to win federal and university approval. Right now, Kane’s allowed to grow only hemp strains. The rest of his research material is cannabis DNA, which is supplied by Colorado growers who extract it using methods he’s taught them.

Kane fingers one of his innocuous-looking plants, expressing mild bemusement at the U.S. ban on commercial hemp cultivation. “Hemp produces fibers of unparalleled quality,” he notes. “It’s a tremendously high biomass crop that replenishes the soil and doesn’t require much in terms of inputs. We import tons and tons of hemp each year from China and even Canada, yet as a matter of federal policy, we can’t legally grow it. There are places where farmers in the U.S. can literally look across the Canadian border and see fields that are yielding huge profits.”

A geneticist, Kane studies cannabis from a unique perspective—he probes its DNA. He’s an affable, outdoorsy guy with a bright face and eyes that wander and dart inquisitively when he talks. He has studied chocolate and for many years the sunflower, eventually mapping its genome, a sequence of more than three and a half billion nucleotides. Now he’s moved on to marijuana. Though its sequence is much shorter, roughly 800 million nucleotides, he considers it a far more intriguing plant.

A sketchy outline of the cannabis genome already exists, but it’s highly fragmented, scattered into about 60,000 pieces. Kane’s ambitious goal, which will take many years to achieve, is to assemble those fragments in the right order. “The analogy I use is, we have 60,000 pages of what promises to be an excellent book, but they’re strewn all over the floor,” he says. “We have no idea yet how those pages fit together to make a good story.”

Many people are more than a little eager to learn how Kane’s story will play out. “There’s a certain pressure,” he says, “because this work will have huge implications, and anything we do in this lab will be under a lot of scrutiny. You can feel it. People are just wanting this to happen.”

Once the map is complete, enterprising geneticists will be able to use it in myriad ways, such as breeding strains that contain much higher levels of one of the plant’s rare compounds with medically important properties. “It’s like discovering some hidden motif deep in a piece of music,” Kane says. “Through remixing, you can accentuate it and turn it up so that it becomes a prominent feature of the song.”

As Kane leads me around his lab, I see the excitement on his face and on the faces of his young staff. The place feels almost like a start-up company. “So much of science is incremental,” he says, “but with this cannabis work, the science will not be incremental. It will be transformative. Transformative not just in our understanding of the plant but also of ourselves—our brains, our neurology, our psychology. Transformative in terms of the biochemistry of its compounds. Transformative in terms of its impact across several different industries, including medicine, agriculture, and biofuels. It may even transform part of our diet—hemp seed is known to be a ready source of a very healthy, protein-rich oil.”

Cannabis, Kane says, “is an embarrassment of riches.”


http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2015/06/marijuana/sides-text
 
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We're decades of studies away from science proving many of the benefits, as that is how science works.

Here's a really good (and balanced) National Geographic article with scientists on the forefront of research. All the scientists are emphasizing caution, patience and tempering emotions (as good scientists do), but here's a really interesting passage on hemp:


"It’s such an interesting plant, such a valuable plant,” says Nolan Kane, who specializes in evolutionary biology. “It’s been around for millions of years, and it’s one of man’s oldest crops. And yet there are so many basic problems that need to be answered. Where did it come from? How and why did it evolve? Why does it make all these suites of compounds? We don’t even know how many species there are.”

We’re standing in a laboratory greenhouse on the campus of the University of Colorado Boulder looking at ten hemp plants that Kane recently procured for research purposes. They’re spindly, stalky little things, like gangling teenagers, a far cry from the lascivious crop that Hague had shown me. These plants, like nearly all hemp varieties, carry extremely low levels of THC.

They may not look threatening, but their very presence here, in the confines of a major university lab, represents years of wrangling to win federal and university approval. Right now, Kane’s allowed to grow only hemp strains. The rest of his research material is cannabis DNA, which is supplied by Colorado growers who extract it using methods he’s taught them.

Kane fingers one of his innocuous-looking plants, expressing mild bemusement at the U.S. ban on commercial hemp cultivation. “Hemp produces fibers of unparalleled quality,” he notes. “It’s a tremendously high biomass crop that replenishes the soil and doesn’t require much in terms of inputs. We import tons and tons of hemp each year from China and even Canada, yet as a matter of federal policy, we can’t legally grow it. There are places where farmers in the U.S. can literally look across the Canadian border and see fields that are yielding huge profits.”

A geneticist, Kane studies cannabis from a unique perspective—he probes its DNA. He’s an affable, outdoorsy guy with a bright face and eyes that wander and dart inquisitively when he talks. He has studied chocolate and for many years the sunflower, eventually mapping its genome, a sequence of more than three and a half billion nucleotides. Now he’s moved on to marijuana. Though its sequence is much shorter, roughly 800 million nucleotides, he considers it a far more intriguing plant.

A sketchy outline of the cannabis genome already exists, but it’s highly fragmented, scattered into about 60,000 pieces. Kane’s ambitious goal, which will take many years to achieve, is to assemble those fragments in the right order. “The analogy I use is, we have 60,000 pages of what promises to be an excellent book, but they’re strewn all over the floor,” he says. “We have no idea yet how those pages fit together to make a good story.”

Many people are more than a little eager to learn how Kane’s story will play out. “There’s a certain pressure,” he says, “because this work will have huge implications, and anything we do in this lab will be under a lot of scrutiny. You can feel it. People are just wanting this to happen.”

Once the map is complete, enterprising geneticists will be able to use it in myriad ways, such as breeding strains that contain much higher levels of one of the plant’s rare compounds with medically important properties. “It’s like discovering some hidden motif deep in a piece of music,” Kane says. “Through remixing, you can accentuate it and turn it up so that it becomes a prominent feature of the song.”

As Kane leads me around his lab, I see the excitement on his face and on the faces of his young staff. The place feels almost like a start-up company. “So much of science is incremental,” he says, “but with this cannabis work, the science will not be incremental. It will be transformative. Transformative not just in our understanding of the plant but also of ourselves—our brains, our neurology, our psychology. Transformative in terms of the biochemistry of its compounds. Transformative in terms of its impact across several different industries, including medicine, agriculture, and biofuels. It may even transform part of our diet—hemp seed is known to be a ready source of a very healthy, protein-rich oil.”

Cannabis, Kane says, “is an embarrassment of riches.”


http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2015/06/marijuana/sides-text


I think at the end of our days, one of the many things I picture the good Lord asking us what we were thinking about is going to be the criminalization of a plant. A plant.
 
NZ, you will catch no disagreement from me on having patience on that kind of information. That is why i see it as irresponsible to claim it is safer than: alcohol, caffeine, sugar, etc. there are a tremendous amount of use of hemp.

Like i said, we are in pretty close to total agreement on this subject, which just makes it odd, to me, that this was what you attack fiorina with. IamO, the PP issue (video, etc) is what could take her down. The rest is crap, but PP may be her trap.
 
The only thing painful about this argument/discussion is the amount of money the federal government wasted trying to eradicate this plant. The campaign, which makes Gallipoli look like a victory for the ages, has been a complete and abysmal failure with the end result being creating criminals out of many people who would otherwise not harm a cockroach and creating millionaires out of people who knew how to manipulate other people into doing their dirty work.

The only thing they will have to regulate and try to stop (highly unlikely) is the inevitable uptick of motor vehicle issues arising from driving under the influence.

Any pol who says they would use federal agents to shut these state operations down should be given a lobotomy on the spot and not be permitted to procreate. Fiorina didn't say anything out of line and sharp enough to never get tripped up on this type of question.
 
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