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California officially becomes a sanctuary state



http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-california-sanctuary-state-bill-20170916-story.html



"The legislation by Sen. Kevin de León (D-Los Angeles), the most far-reaching of its kind in the country, would limit state and local law enforcement communication with federal immigration authorities, and prevent officers from questioning and holding people on immigration violations."


so daca gets chance to become legislation and they double down...

take take take these people want war, then cry when they get it
 
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Dumbasses...more American citizens to unnecessarily be robbed raped and murdered. Like we don't have enough issues with native borns.

They are guaranteeing democratic/liberal rule forever though, very Machiavellian like.
 
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What is the difference between this law and pre civil war 'nullification laws?
 
What is the difference between this law and pre civil war 'nullification laws?

Nullification = federal cannot be enforced in our state by anyone, including federal officials.

This = federal officials can enforce the federal law all they want, but we're out.

This is basically the same thing as "legalized marijuana" by the states.
 
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Hey, wait - what happened to all of you "state's rights" types?

You do realize that for over 150 yrs now, it's been firmly established that no state is obligated to enforce federal laws don't you? All California has done is engage its ability to use the Separation of Powers doctrine to "opt-out" of enforcing Federal Immigration laws.

As JD has noted, this is basically the identical situation to the numerous states that are opting-out of enforcing federal marijuana laws. There's also something like 8 states which have declined to enforce federal gun laws.
 
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Hey, wait - what happened to all of you "state's rights" types?

You do realize that for over 150 yrs now, it's been firmly established that no state is obligated to enforce federal laws don't you? All California has done is engage its ability to use the Separation of Powers doctrine to "opt-out" of enforcing Federal Immigration laws.

As JD has noted, this is basically the identical situation to the numerous states that are opting-out of enforcing federal marijuana laws. There's also something like 8 states which have declined to enforce federal gun laws.

wood you left out the part about federal money
 
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Hey, wait - what happened to all of you "state's rights" types?

You do realize that for over 150 yrs now, it's been firmly established that no state is obligated to enforce federal laws don't you? All California has done is engage its ability to use the Separation of Powers doctrine to "opt-out" of enforcing Federal Immigration laws.

As JD has noted, this is basically the identical situation to the numerous states that are opting-out of enforcing federal marijuana laws. There's also something like 8 states which have declined to enforce federal gun laws.
I totally believe in California's right to do what they want. They don't have the right to other states tax dollars.

Just the pension liabilities of California is astronomical. They have no way to fund those on a long term basis.

They just declared themselves the place to be along with Illinois for illegals and not that they don't already but illegals will flock there like never before. Ask Canada how the new inflow of illegals is working out.

Good luck paying for schools and social welfare programs.

If even one Oklahoma rep votes to give CA more tax dollars than their citizens pay in I will do what little I can to see the are never elected again.
 
Thanks for the explanation JD.

As a federalist, I'm okay with this. I'm also okay with the federal government withholding any funds they can from California in an effort to pressure them rethink this stance.

California doesn't get to keep illegals, then get them on the government dole, and then expect citizens of other states to pay for the policy via federal taxation.
 
California is a "donor state" - pays in far more in Federal Taxes than they receive back in $ or services from the Federal Govt to begin with. They've been getting farked for years on that count, already.

Secondly, the notion that the Federal Govt can take punitive steps toward an individual state for asserting its right not to enforce Federal Law has been rejected by the Supreme Court before. In particular, by Justice Scalia in his majority opinion in Printz v US (1997) under the principle of "anti-commandeering."

Further to that point is that SCOTUS has already held that the Fed Govt cannot attempt to force a state to act against its will, by withholding funding in a coercive manner. That majority decision was written by Chief Justice Roberts in the case of Independent Business v Sebelius in 2012.

The principle underlying much of this is covered by Madison in Federalist #45. These decisions are based primarily on the underlying legal principles of the 10th Amendment. In short, California would have a right to challenge and under current Constitutional decisions in this area, would likely win if Congress attempted to use coercive funding measures to punish them (Commander State Resources) in this manner.

So, I'm not so certain that you guys have the idea that Congress could withhold funding or otherwise use the "power of the purse" to punish California as you are suggesting. In fact, the Supreme Court has ruled just the opposite since 1842 in Prigg v Pennsylvania. "The fundamental principle applicable to all cases of this sort, would seem to be, that where the end is required, the means are given; and where the duty is enjoined, the ability to perform it is contemplated to exist on the part of the functionaries to whom it is entrusted. The clause is found in the national Constitution, and not in that of any state. It does not point out any state functionaries, or any state action to carry its provisions into effect. The states cannot, therefore, be compelled to enforce them; and it might well be deemed an unconstitutional exercise of the power of interpretation, to insist that the states are bound to provide means to carry into effect the duties of the national government, nowhere delegated or instrusted to them by the Constitution."
 
California is a "donor state" - pays in far more in Federal Taxes than they receive back in $ or services from the Federal Govt to begin with. They've been getting farked for years on that count, already.

Secondly, the notion that the Federal Govt can take punitive steps toward an individual state for asserting its right not to enforce Federal Law has been rejected by the Supreme Court before. In particular, by Justice Scalia in his majority opinion in Printz v US (1997) under the principle of "anti-commandeering."

Further to that point is that SCOTUS has already held that the Fed Govt cannot attempt to force a state to act against its will, by withholding funding in a coercive manner. That majority decision was written by Chief Justice Roberts in the case of Independent Business v Sebelius in 2012.

The principle underlying much of this is covered by Madison in Federalist #45. These decisions are based primarily on the underlying legal principles of the 10th Amendment. In short, California would have a right to challenge and under current Constitutional decisions in this area, would likely win if Congress attempted to use coercive funding measures to punish them (Commander State Resources) in this manner.

So, I'm not so certain that you guys have the idea that Congress could withhold funding or otherwise use the "power of the purse" to punish California as you are suggesting. In fact, the Supreme Court has ruled just the opposite since 1842 in Prigg v Pennsylvania. "The fundamental principle applicable to all cases of this sort, would seem to be, that where the end is required, the means are given; and where the duty is enjoined, the ability to perform it is contemplated to exist on the part of the functionaries to whom it is entrusted. The clause is found in the national Constitution, and not in that of any state. It does not point out any state functionaries, or any state action to carry its provisions into effect. The states cannot, therefore, be compelled to enforce them; and it might well be deemed an unconstitutional exercise of the power of interpretation, to insist that the states are bound to provide means to carry into effect the duties of the national government, nowhere delegated or instrusted to them by the Constitution."


yea and the part about congress controlling the purse strings

where does that fit in with your legal mumbo jumbo
 
Donor state my ass. That's phony federal BS. No way in hell the collective taxation of California, its residents and businesses is more than is provided to those same entities. No state is a net positive.
 
California is a "donor state" - pays in far more in Federal Taxes than they receive back in $ or services from the Federal Govt to begin with. They've been getting farked for years on that count, already.

Secondly, the notion that the Federal Govt can take punitive steps toward an individual state for asserting its right not to enforce Federal Law has been rejected by the Supreme Court before. In particular, by Justice Scalia in his majority opinion in Printz v US (1997) under the principle of "anti-commandeering."

Further to that point is that SCOTUS has already held that the Fed Govt cannot attempt to force a state to act against its will, by withholding funding in a coercive manner. That majority decision was written by Chief Justice Roberts in the case of Independent Business v Sebelius in 2012.

The principle underlying much of this is covered by Madison in Federalist #45. These decisions are based primarily on the underlying legal principles of the 10th Amendment. In short, California would have a right to challenge and under current Constitutional decisions in this area, would likely win if Congress attempted to use coercive funding measures to punish them (Commander State Resources) in this manner.

So, I'm not so certain that you guys have the idea that Congress could withhold funding or otherwise use the "power of the purse" to punish California as you are suggesting. In fact, the Supreme Court has ruled just the opposite since 1842 in Prigg v Pennsylvania. "The fundamental principle applicable to all cases of this sort, would seem to be, that where the end is required, the means are given; and where the duty is enjoined, the ability to perform it is contemplated to exist on the part of the functionaries to whom it is entrusted. The clause is found in the national Constitution, and not in that of any state. It does not point out any state functionaries, or any state action to carry its provisions into effect. The states cannot, therefore, be compelled to enforce them; and it might well be deemed an unconstitutional exercise of the power of interpretation, to insist that the states are bound to provide means to carry into effect the duties of the national government, nowhere delegated or instrusted to them by the Constitution."

Sebelius involved planned withdrawal of Medicare funding if a state chose not to expand. Even then, there was not clear majority when it came to the Medicare expansion ruling...particularly Roberts opinion that it could stay, but only if pre-existing Medicare funding was not removed as coercion.

Furthermore, Roberts said in Sebelius, said existing funding couldn't be taken away. I'm not so sure the same reasoning applies to annual discretionary grants to law enforcement through the DOJ. It wouldn't be a matter of removing existing funding. It would simply be not awarding new funding through discretionary grants and funds. I see a legal distinction there.
 
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Sebelius involved planned withdrawal of Medicare funding if a state chose not to expand. Even then, there was not clear majority when it came to the Medicare expansion ruling...particularly Roberts opinion that it could stay, but only if pre-existing Medicare funding was not removed as coercion.

Furthermore, Roberts said in Sebelius, said existing funding couldn't be taken away. I'm not so sure the same reasoning applies to annual discretionary grants to law enforcement through the DOJ. It wouldn't be a matter of removing existing funding. It would simply be not awarding new funding through discretionary grants and funds. I see a legal distinction there.


wood you are fakenews
 
Hey, wait - what happened to all of you "state's rights" types?

You do realize that for over 150 yrs now, it's been firmly established that no state is obligated to enforce federal laws don't you? All California has done is engage its ability to use the Separation of Powers doctrine to "opt-out" of enforcing Federal Immigration laws.

As JD has noted, this is basically the identical situation to the numerous states that are opting-out of enforcing federal marijuana laws. There's also something like 8 states which have declined to enforce federal gun laws.


I actually fully agree with you. I think it's a short sighted, self-destructive and moronic policy and I think the federal government similarly has no obligation to not withhold fundings, but I think it absolutely within California's rights to incur the consequences or benefits of this.
 
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2015 flashback:




1953 Southern California flashback (extremely highly recommended):


 
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so daca gets chance to become legislation and they double down...

take take take these people want war, then cry when they get it

as if on cue, their biggest supporter pelosi has to shut down a news conference because daca protesters shouted her down

what about executive order and legislation do these people not understand?

 
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