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Heard it on the radio while on the road today. Seriously a sick woman and sick individuals who agree with her.
Spare me the talk about "Conservatives not being compassionate enough to take care of children after birth." Aborting a child up to 40 weeks old is sickening beyond belief. You deliver that child.
The Virginia Gov’s radio statement today was disturbing. I think he slipped and didn’t realize what he actually said, but that radio interview will certainly be used against him in the next election. Sad thing is that some far leftists are probably okay with what he described (which was killing an infant).
Best I can tell with VA Gov, the medical situation is the kid is already born. And then decision is made to murder or not.
If someone is alive and is purposely killed. Sounds like murder to me. What else should it be?
Sure doesn’t sounds like abortion. Definition of abortion is “to bring forth stillborn or nonviable offspring”. Or “to terminate the pregnancy before term.” Neither of these definitions fit the VA Gov statements.
Hypothetical medical situation = healthy pregnancy, mother in no harm, child is 38 - 40 weeks old inside the mother’s womb.
Does she have the right to have to an abortion?
I would say no unless rape or incest. There would have to be exceptions but no that seems excessive.
So if the baby can live outside the womb he or she can be killed because of how he or she was conceived? It’s not the baby’s fault.
Reasonable but irrelevant medically - and something she would know in the first trimester.
Thank you for your response. In the scenario I should have specified on the rape and/or incest portion.
Those two pieces really challenge my way of thinking and I can’t put myself into the position of a woman where those things have occurred.
My general stance is two wrongs don’t make a right especially in the case of abortion but I would assume if a woman is pregnant through the heinous act of rape, incest, or a combination of both it can be incredibly traumatic both physically and mentally and a real discussion should be had whether she should have to carry said child.
I would need to do research on the statistics for how many abortions are performed due to pregnancies through rape or incest but my assumption is that it’s not many, especially with a pregnancy nearing full term. I would think an abortion or chemically ending a pregnancy through an alternative medical procedure would occur well before that. My two cents.
Now, the video in the OP really ticked me off though. In the scenario the committee chair asked about- woman is pregnant, possibly up to 40 weeks in the womb, even to the point of dilating, and the Bill writer Rep Tran is allowing that.
yeah that’s nuts. This is one of the cases I was thinking about.
Woman in 14-Year Coma Gives Birth in Arizona: What We Know – Rolling Stone
Ross D Franklin/AP/REX/Shutterstock
Update: Nathan Sutherland, a 36-year-old nurse at the Hacienda HealthCare facility has been arrested and charged with one count of sexual assault and one count of vulnerable adult abuse, according to the Associated Press.
The CEO of a Phoenix, Arizona, health facility has resigned amid a police investigation into the rape and subsequent pregnancy of a female patient who has been a vegetative state for more than a decade. Bill Timmons “terminated his employment” with the Hacienda HealthCare center earlier this week, the facility said in a statement to Huffington Post. According to KPHO-TV, which broke the story, the unidentified 29-year-old patient had been raped several times, and the staff had no idea she was pregnant until she went into labor and gave birth to a healthy baby boy on December 29th.
On Tuesday, January 8th, investigators served Hacienda HealthCare with a search warrant for DNA samples from all of its male employees in hopes of finding out who is responsible for the woman’s rape and pregnancy. In a statement, the facility said this latest step by law enforcement is a “welcome development” in the investigation.
“We had consulted attorneys to determine whether it would be legal for our company to compel our employees to undergo DNA testing conducted through Hacienda or for Hacienda to conduct voluntary genetic testing of staffers,” the facility said. “We were told it would be a violation of federal law in either instance. … We will continue to cooperate with Phoenix Police and all other investigative agencies to uncover the facts in this deeply disturbing, but unprecedented situation.”
The victim has been in a vegetative state for 14 years following a near drowning incident, and is an enrolled member of the local San Carlos Apache Tribe, the tribe’s spokesman said in a statement on Tuesday.
“On behalf of the Tribe, I am deeply shocked and horrified at the treatment of one of our members,” Terry Rambler said. “When you have a loved one committed to palliative care, when they are most vulnerable and dependent upon others, you trust their caretakers. Sadly, one of her caretakers was not to be trusted and took advantage of her.”
In an anonymous interview with ABC-15, a former caregiver for the woman expressed disbelief that her pregnancy went unnoticed.
“I can’t believe that somebody would bathe her daily for nine months and never know that she wasn’t having a period, that she [was] growing in her midsection, that nurses weren’t keeping track [of her weight],” the former caregiver said. “Those things are shocking to me.”
Comatose pregnancies — including those resulting from sexual assault while the person is temporarily or permanently unconscious, or braindead — are extremely rare but not without precedent. In 2015, a Spanish-languagepublication in Argentina reported on a similar case in which a woman in a coma had been sexually assaulted and impregnated, but the family didn’t press charges and the case was never investigated by police.
Regardless of the legality of the precipitating sex act, comatose pregnancies come with both medical risks and complex ethical issues for the victim’s family to navigate.
“It’s possible to bring a fetus to term, but it depends on how far you are in the pregnancy,” bioethicist Arthur Caplan said in an interview with Vice in 2015. “If you’re at 28 weeks, you could probably have a C-section. But if you were only two weeks pregnant, I don’t think many hospitals would try that, because it could harm the fetus.”
However, that’s exactly what happened in 2001, when doctors in Cincinnati learned a patient named Chastity Cooper was two weeks pregnantwhen she suffered serious head injuries in a car accident and lapsed into a coma. The pregnancy was carried to term and delivered vaginally, as doctors ruled out a C-section because of the risks of giving anesthesia to comatose patients.
In 1995, a woman identified only as “Kathy,” who had been in a coma for a decade, was raped and impregnated by an aide at a New York nursing home. Kathy’s pregnancy was discovered when she was four months along, but her Roman Catholic family was against abortion and chose to have her carry the fetus to term. Kathy died shortly before her son’s first birthday, and the case resulted in the passing of “Kathy’s Law” in 1998, which requires background checks for nursing aides.
Family members for the woman in Phoenix have declined to give a public statement for the time being, but their attorney told Huffington Post,”The family obviously is outraged, traumatized and in shock by the abuse and neglect of their daughter at Hacienda Healthcare. … [They] would like me to convey that the baby boy has been born into a loving family and will be well cared for.”
Just reading those situations makes me sick to my stomach especially the rape of a woman in a vegetative state.yeah that’s nuts. This is one of the cases I was thinking about.
Woman in 14-Year Coma Gives Birth in Arizona: What We Know – Rolling Stone
Ross D Franklin/AP/REX/Shutterstock
Update: Nathan Sutherland, a 36-year-old nurse at the Hacienda HealthCare facility has been arrested and charged with one count of sexual assault and one count of vulnerable adult abuse, according to the Associated Press.
The CEO of a Phoenix, Arizona, health facility has resigned amid a police investigation into the rape and subsequent pregnancy of a female patient who has been a vegetative state for more than a decade. Bill Timmons “terminated his employment” with the Hacienda HealthCare center earlier this week, the facility said in a statement to Huffington Post. According to KPHO-TV, which broke the story, the unidentified 29-year-old patient had been raped several times, and the staff had no idea she was pregnant until she went into labor and gave birth to a healthy baby boy on December 29th.
On Tuesday, January 8th, investigators served Hacienda HealthCare with a search warrant for DNA samples from all of its male employees in hopes of finding out who is responsible for the woman’s rape and pregnancy. In a statement, the facility said this latest step by law enforcement is a “welcome development” in the investigation.
“We had consulted attorneys to determine whether it would be legal for our company to compel our employees to undergo DNA testing conducted through Hacienda or for Hacienda to conduct voluntary genetic testing of staffers,” the facility said. “We were told it would be a violation of federal law in either instance. … We will continue to cooperate with Phoenix Police and all other investigative agencies to uncover the facts in this deeply disturbing, but unprecedented situation.”
The victim has been in a vegetative state for 14 years following a near drowning incident, and is an enrolled member of the local San Carlos Apache Tribe, the tribe’s spokesman said in a statement on Tuesday.
“On behalf of the Tribe, I am deeply shocked and horrified at the treatment of one of our members,” Terry Rambler said. “When you have a loved one committed to palliative care, when they are most vulnerable and dependent upon others, you trust their caretakers. Sadly, one of her caretakers was not to be trusted and took advantage of her.”
In an anonymous interview with ABC-15, a former caregiver for the woman expressed disbelief that her pregnancy went unnoticed.
“I can’t believe that somebody would bathe her daily for nine months and never know that she wasn’t having a period, that she [was] growing in her midsection, that nurses weren’t keeping track [of her weight],” the former caregiver said. “Those things are shocking to me.”
Comatose pregnancies — including those resulting from sexual assault while the person is temporarily or permanently unconscious, or braindead — are extremely rare but not without precedent. In 2015, a Spanish-languagepublication in Argentina reported on a similar case in which a woman in a coma had been sexually assaulted and impregnated, but the family didn’t press charges and the case was never investigated by police.
Regardless of the legality of the precipitating sex act, comatose pregnancies come with both medical risks and complex ethical issues for the victim’s family to navigate.
“It’s possible to bring a fetus to term, but it depends on how far you are in the pregnancy,” bioethicist Arthur Caplan said in an interview with Vice in 2015. “If you’re at 28 weeks, you could probably have a C-section. But if you were only two weeks pregnant, I don’t think many hospitals would try that, because it could harm the fetus.”
However, that’s exactly what happened in 2001, when doctors in Cincinnati learned a patient named Chastity Cooper was two weeks pregnantwhen she suffered serious head injuries in a car accident and lapsed into a coma. The pregnancy was carried to term and delivered vaginally, as doctors ruled out a C-section because of the risks of giving anesthesia to comatose patients.
In 1995, a woman identified only as “Kathy,” who had been in a coma for a decade, was raped and impregnated by an aide at a New York nursing home. Kathy’s pregnancy was discovered when she was four months along, but her Roman Catholic family was against abortion and chose to have her carry the fetus to term. Kathy died shortly before her son’s first birthday, and the case resulted in the passing of “Kathy’s Law” in 1998, which requires background checks for nursing aides.
Family members for the woman in Phoenix have declined to give a public statement for the time being, but their attorney told Huffington Post,”The family obviously is outraged, traumatized and in shock by the abuse and neglect of their daughter at Hacienda Healthcare. … [They] would like me to convey that the baby boy has been born into a loving family and will be well cared for.”
One thing I found interesting though is that in the cases presented, while the women were in physical states where they could not provide consent one way or the other to have an abortion; the women were still able to carry the child even with severe and life altering medical conditions. Now, we don’t really get follow ups for how the child was after birth really so would also be curious about their health a year, 3, 10..down the line.
To me this plays into the moral and ethical dilemma of abortion as our medical care continues to be great. I have heard many times about the right to an abortion if the mothers health/life is in danger, I would love to see figures today of just how frequently a mother is in serious jeopardy of severe physical harm or death when pregnant.
Apparently that Virginia Gov was talking about the parents being able to decide on a DNR order for a non-viable or severely malformed fetus.
Did she figure out she was raped or it was incest in week 36? If not, why wait till term to murder the child?
I believe I had given various opinions about it. Comprehension is key to understanding .
Where are women having these discretionary 8 month abortions? This has a whiff of bullshit.
You ok with third trimester abortions? Any restrictions?
Are they just imaginary? Why allow for it?
I don't know. Its a pretty basic question though, isn't it? How often does it happen?
Why is it my responsibility to answer that? And what does that have to do with the simple question: do you support 3rd trimester abortions?
