This is pretty sobering if you think about it.
https://medium.freecodecamp.com/bil...re-too-scared-to-talk-8db9815fd398#.70pbzjtfw
https://medium.freecodecamp.com/bil...re-too-scared-to-talk-8db9815fd398#.70pbzjtfw
Automation and Loss of Jobs
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Technology has eliminated key jobs for centuries but certainly the trend will ramp.....transportation will be one of the first hit, but imo ultimately will be safer and easier than ever before for the general population.
What do we do with the professional drivers that will be out of work?
Nobody is safe when unemployment rates reach a certain level... That's my fear with all of this.
Exactly. I hadn't even thought about it until I read the article. Automated cars will clearly happen eventually. All of those drivers will be looking to enter other areas of the workforce and will not have the skills to do jobs that are actually hiring.
The jobs just just move to support instead of the manual work. The issue is that it happens slowly over time. If it happens quickly in multiple sectors then you could have a problem.
But we run refineries with process automation. We still employ a lot of people. They just don't go manually turn valves or read meters.
I generally sort these types of predictions with peak oil scares. Meh
But we run refineries with process automation. We still employ a lot of people. They just don't go manually turn valves or read meters.
I generally sort these types of predictions with peak oil scares. Meh
Plumbers, electricians, HVAC guys, framers and so forth will be writing their own paychecks in years to come. With automation unable to perform these jobs and people steering away from manual labor, the ones who take these less glamorous jobs will have the upper hand.
I think you are hiding your head in the sand. Just using the automated cars as an example..You think each automated car is going to be supported by 1 person? That doesn't make sense. The support people will be able to do what is needed for multiple cars at once. Maybe hundreds of cars at once.
Oh my Gawd!!! Where are the jobs going????
We also don't have people picking cotton, plowing fields one row at a time, railway line men manually switching tracks, ATMs are going to kill bank teller jobs, looms are going to take weaver jobs.
It's the lament of the ignorant and inflexible.
The Luddite Fallacy
We also don't have people picking cotton, plowing fields one row at a time, railway line men manually switching tracks, ATMs are going to kill bank teller jobs, looms are going to take weaver jobs.
It's the lament of the ignorant and inflexible.
The Luddite Fallacy
If you do not healthy respect for what is coming then you haven't done enough homework...
BTW: the Luddites perfectly express the risk to a civil society.
I've been thinking a lot about this off and on since this thread.
Tell me; in your view (anyone) is automation of jobs good or bad? Why?
Tell me; in your view (anyone) is automation of jobs good or bad? Why?
Awesomeness. With a bit of dislocation inevitable. Every major advance fueled by such innovation, rate of change problematic given a vast majority of our citizenry not prepared.
I watched a segment on CBS Sunday Morning and they talked about middle tech jobs that pay $55,000-$115,000. The training comes at vp techs and community colleges. I am all about Oklahoma following what Kansas did years ago and add more tech/community colleges and train for there middle tech jobs.
Maybe so.
We're going to lose blue collar jobs, and a lot of them.
Jobs this last election, the least civil election in my life time, was contested and won over.
We just collectively fired our government, both parties actually, over the loss of jobs (and we actually have them, just not ones that meet or expectations).
This will, at the very least, not be pretty for a significant minority in our country.
My fear, perhaps unrational, is how this society will function with 15% or higher unemployment rates.
Neutral.
The real determining factor is who profits from automation.
I feel like I'm our society capital always profits and consumers gain something also (lower prices, better product, more availability of product, etc...). Labor tends to lose though. Some people do get better jobs in a smaller work force. Many more go from respected well compensated careers to looking for work at low end retail and service jobs.
It's also not like automation has shortened the work day or anything. We like to talk about how much faster machines can do the work, but what we mean is how much more work can be done in the same amount of time.
In the past automation eventually created more jobs than it eliminated. With robotics a lot of those jobs that would be created will be filled with other robots and so robots will be fixing and making the robots in question. This is a new paradigm.
Taking things to the ultimate conclusion robots. Computers or whatever will also be designing robots, computers, whatever.
In reality IMO We are very close to the day where there is a drastic net loss of jobs at all levels which will include white and blue collar. I think that this day will arrive a lot faster than any of us will forsee or want to admit.
If when this day comes will the fact that robots/automation does virtually everything make communism/socialism actually workabke or worse yet the only form of society that is viable?
Taking things to the ultimate conclusion robots. Computers or whatever will also be designing robots, computers, whatever.
In reality IMO We are very close to the day where there is a drastic net loss of jobs at all levels which will include white and blue collar. I think that this day will arrive a lot faster than any of us will forsee or want to admit.
If when this day comes will the fact that robots/automation does virtually everything make communism/socialism actually workabke or worse yet the only form of society that is viable?
I think eventually when robots, and more importantly, AI, get to the point that most daily need type stuff is fulfilled by them.... we will become a more entertainment/arts/crafts centered society. We are already seeing this in my opinion. We see more and more small boutique/home decor/jewelry/artisian coffee-food-beer-soda etc places popping up. The movie, video game, toys/tech, music, sports industries are employing more and more people. More people will be small business owners. Corporations will operate on skeleton crews that are very highly skilled and paid very, very well.
In 30- 40 years the costs of the necessities in life (basic food, medicine, shelter, transportation) should plummet, so the "poor" of the future will most likely get the bare basics from the gov for free.
In 30- 40 years the costs of the necessities in life (basic food, medicine, shelter, transportation) should plummet, so the "poor" of the future will most likely get the bare basics from the gov for free.
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A lot of chatbots are already taking some copywriter and social media jobs. There is even a desire to automate creativity.
No one is immune.
No one is immune.
I'm sure you are right, but I think there will always be a bit of a backlash and coolness factor to owning hand made things.
It's probably pretty pie in the sky and wishful thinking, but humanity has always adapted to technology and found a way to make a living. The real danger will be when AI reaches the point where we humans are no longer in control of what technological break throughs happen.
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I see automation and AI allowing society to move to something akin to Star Trek. The basics of food, water, clothes, shelter are free because we don't have to pay people to make them. We can start asking bigger questions and answering them as a society. Our "work" can provide benefit rather than sustenance.
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