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Approval was at 48% before speech.

In general , I would say that I approved. I would say that it was probably his best snapshot moment of his presidency to date.

Amazing. Did you watch cnn last night? Will you listen to npr today? They will immediately tell you that you are wrong in that assessment.
 
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You get all your information from this board?

Nope. I read a lot of sites on the net. Watch about 15 minutes of GMA most mornings. Often come across interesting articles on Twitter. Purposely avoid CNN and FOXnews. Can't watch either without rolling my eyes and getting nauseated. Along the same lines, I purposely don't open a significant number of threads on this board. Honestly don't think I have ever listened to NPR. Wouldn't know where to find it in Dallas (although, I am sure I could find it on line if I tried).
 
Never watch/listen to either, so ...no.

I'm just like you. I know what I believe and why I vote and don't need the media to guide me/tell me how to vote.

Besides, most media is all about ratings/subscriptions/hits these days so they usually are going to make mountains out of molehills to get attention and increase revenue for their company.
 
Nope. I read a lot of sites on the net. Watch about 15 minutes of GMA most mornings. Often come across interesting articles on Twitter. Purposely avoid CNN and FOXnews. Can't watch either without rolling my eyes and getting nauseated. Along the same lines, I purposely don't open a significant number of threads on this board. Honestly don't think I have ever listened to NPR. Wouldn't know where to find it in Dallas (although, I am sure I could find it on line if I tried).

Did you catch the 11 year old drag queen on gma? Total exploitation that cnn hasn’t even ventured into yet.
 
Did you catch the 11 year old drag queen on gma? Total exploitation that cnn hasn’t even ventured into yet.

Nope. Missed that one. If I am tuned in, it is from 7:00 to 7:15 a.m (Central). They hit the "top stories" and national weather, and that is about it. The "Hollywood" and "Human Interest" stuff is mentioned, but the stories run later...after I have headed to the office.
 
Nope. Missed that one. If I am tuned in, it is from 7:00 to 7:15 a.m (Central). They hit the "top stories" and national weather, and that is about it. The "Hollywood" and "Human Interest" stuff is mentioned, but the stories run later...after I have headed to the office.

I think you are missing a major element of what drives “never liberals”
 

OK. Seems kind of trivial to me. He/she is one child. He/she and his/her parents choices have absolutely nothing to do with you (or me). The situation sounds very weird, but there are a lot of very weird people in this country.

-People who marry cars or trees.
-People who dress up like college mascots.
-People who wear diapers and want to be treated like babies.
-People who tattoo and pierce every part of their body possible.
-etc.

Live and let live, I say. As long as he/she isn't committing a crime or foisting his/her lifestyle on me/mine, IDGAF.

Seems like a silly reason for you to hate liberals.
 
OK. Seems kind of trivial to me. He/she is one child. He/she and his/her parents choices have absolutely nothing to do with you (or me). The situation sounds very weird, but there are a lot of very weird people in this country.

-People who marry cars or trees.
-People who dress up like college mascots.
-People who wear diapers and want to be treated like babies.
-People who tattoo and pierce every part of their body possible.
-etc.

Live and let live, I say. As long as he/she isn't committing a crime or foisting his/her lifestyle on me/mine, IDGAF.

Seems like a silly reason for you to hate liberals.

Which of those groups need to be encouraged/celebrated and which need to be steered toward therapy in your opinion?

How does it break down by adult versus minor?
 
Which of those groups need to be encouraged/celebrated and which need to be steered toward therapy in your opinion?

How does it break down by adult versus minor?

Don't know. Don't care. Not my business. They all seem completely harmless to me. Why do you feel the need to "fix" some/all of them?
 
Don't know. Don't care. Not my business. They all seem completely harmless to me. Why do you feel the need to "fix" some/all of them?

You are awfully disengaged to be so opinionated. I feel the same need to fix them as I would any mentally ill person. If you knew someone who married a tree and that person was close to you, would you go to his bachelor party? Would you go to the tree for dinner parties? Would you take your spouse and kids if they were in elementary school to the christening of the baby tree growing beside it?
 
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You are awfully disengaged to be so opinionated.

I'm opinionated about things that involve basic human rights, potential criminal behavior, and basic empathy toward those that need it. Not so much about things that involve a small number of benign individuals.

If you knew someone who married a tree and that person was close to you, would you go to his bachelor party? Would you go to the tree for dinner parties? Would you take your spouse and kids if they were in elementary school to the christening of the baby tree growing beside it?

Never gave it any thought. I probably would not do any of those things, but I wouldn't stop being friends with the weirdo either.
 
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I'm opinionated about things that involve basic human rights, potential criminal behavior, and basic empathy toward those that need it. Not so much about things that involve a small number of benign individuals.



Never gave it any thought. I probably would not do any of those things, but I wouldn't stop being friends with the weirdo either.

Ok we are getting somewhere. Now picture a kid who wants to marry a tree. Kids brains aren’t developed so we definitely wouldn’t encourage that to add to their confusion. If they insisted that they were going to marry a tree and you were the parent/guardian hopefully you would encourage them into therapy so their life wouldn’t be at odds to society. Wouldn’t that be the compassionate thing to do?

What good morning America and liberals are doing is the cruel thing to do, especially for children. If we catered to all of children’s whims what would that look like?
 
Ok we are getting somewhere. Now picture a kid who wants to marry a tree. Kids brains aren’t developed so we definitely wouldn’t encourage that to add to their confusion. If they insisted that they were going to marry a tree and you were the parent/guardian hopefully you would encourage them into therapy so their life wouldn’t be at odds to society. Wouldn’t that be the compassionate thing to do?

What good morning America and liberals are doing is the cruel thing to do, especially for children. If we catered to all of children’s whims what would that look like?

yikes
going full ponca dan
 
Ok we are getting somewhere. Now picture a kid who wants to marry a tree. Kids brains aren’t developed so we definitely wouldn’t encourage that to add to their confusion. If they insisted that they were going to marry a tree and you were the parent/guardian hopefully you would encourage them into therapy so their life wouldn’t be at odds to society. Wouldn’t that be the compassionate thing to do?

What good morning America and liberals are doing is the cruel thing to do, especially for children. If we catered to all of children’s whims what would that look like?

Would it be better if a boy's parents allowed him to play first person shooter video games during every moment of his free time, and kept easily accessible loaded guns in their home?

There are a lot of shitty parents in the world. Their shittiness has a negative effect on their offspring. Should it be illegal to be a shitty parent? Is it up to you and me to prevent those people from being shitty? How about you MYOB, and stop being so judgy. ? An 11 year old drag queen isn't hurting you in any way, and his/her situation is out of your control. If GMA wants to celebrate his uniqueness, that is up to them. Maybe they are playing 4D chess and only doing it because it triggers people like you.

Why are you so concerned for this 11 year old, who is being treated cruelly by GMA and the parents, but you are not concerned about the hundreds of children currently separated from their parents in US detention centers?
 
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Would it be better if a boy's parents allowed him to play first person shooter video games during every moment of his free time, and kept easily accessible loaded guns in their home?

There are a lot of shitty parents in the world. Their shittiness has a negative effect on their offspring. Should it be illegal to be a shitty parent? Is it up to you and me to prevent those people from being shitty? How about you MYOB, and stop being so judgy. ? An 11 year old drag queen isn't hurting you in any way, and his/her situation is out of your control. If GMA wants to celebrate his uniqueness, that is up to them. Maybe they are playing 4D chess and only doing it because it triggers people like you.

Why are you so concerned for this 11 year old, who is being treated cruelly by GMA and the parents, but you are not concerned about the hundreds of children currently separated from their parents in US detention centers?

I would agree completely with this. But on the same token, shouldn't parents have the right to send their kids to re-education if they so believe? It may be a shitty thing to do as a parent, but as you said, it shouldn't be illegal to be a shitty parent.
 
Would it be better if a boy's parents allowed him to play first person shooter video games during every moment of his free time, and kept easily accessible loaded guns in their home?

There are a lot of shitty parents in the world. Their shittiness has a negative effect on their offspring. Should it be illegal to be a shitty parent? Is it up to you and me to prevent those people from being shitty? How about you MYOB, and stop being so judgy. ? An 11 year old drag queen isn't hurting you in any way, and his/her situation is out of your control. If GMA wants to celebrate his uniqueness, that is up to them. Maybe they are playing 4D chess and only doing it because it triggers people like you.

Why are you so concerned for this 11 year old, who is being treated cruelly by GMA and the parents, but you are not concerned about the hundreds of children currently separated from their parents in US detention centers?


Unfortunately for all of us we have to live in an interconnected society. The drag queen is what we call an example. I only brought it up because you mentioned gma and we were discussing how you have no idea what is going on in liberal la la land.

Gma took shitty parents and exploited their child for ratings and while trying to refine what cultural norms are. You don’t get that and I suspect you won’t.

I feel the same way about all kids taken from parents who commit crimes. Being on the border makes no difference than people in my neighborhood who get their kids taken away after a crime is committed. I can’t imagine someone who risked rape, murder, death to escape a country that is worse than those risks gets super chaffed about their kids spending a few months in a holding cell.

They get smuggled in trucks and abused but somehow you’ve let the mindset that a few months in a government detention center is some hell that cannot be endured. Think about that and why that makes no sense.
 
I would agree completely with this. But on the same token, shouldn't parents have the right to send their kids to re-education if they so believe? It may be a shitty thing to do as a parent, but as you said, it shouldn't be illegal to be a shitty parent.

I am opposed to conversion therapy. Just like I would be opposed to you forcing your son to play football when he does not want to. Or like I would be opposed to you forcing your daughter to get an abortion when she wants to keep the baby.

With that said, there are things that are illegal. A parent can not legally sell their son/daughter for sex. A parent can not legally sell their son/daughter to someone else. If conversion therapy is made illegal across the country, then that sounds great to me. There is really no evidence that it works, or that it has anything other than negative effects on children that are forced into it.
 
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I feel the same way about all kids taken from parents who commit crimes. Being on the border makes no difference than people in my neighborhood who get their kids taken away after a crime is committed. I can’t imagine someone who risked rape, murder, death to escape a country that is worse than those risks gets super chaffed about their kids spending a few months in a holding cell.

They get smuggled in trucks and abused but somehow you’ve let the mindset that a few months in a government detention center is some hell that cannot be endured. Think about that and why that makes no sense.

You are totally bought into the Trumptard spin/rationalization. Kudos. I'm sure it is just like summer camp for them.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/17/pennsylvania-detention-center-sick-children
 
In many countries, conversion therapy is just that...illegal.

Techniques once included ice pick lobotomies, castration, electric shock, nausea-inducing drugs, etc.***shrugs shoulders***

This does explain a few things. I hope everyone will now go easier on you.
 
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You are totally bought into the Trumptard spin/rationalization. Kudos. I'm sure it is just like summer camp for them.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/17/pennsylvania-detention-center-sick-children

I said it was better than the journey they endured to get there. We aren’t even talking to each other anymore, you are in a ghost conversation. Why haven’t you and your shadow posted any stories about children saved from sex traffickers through this policy? You aren’t being one sided are you?

Kudos on the trumptard though. It reminds me of the level you are really on.
 
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