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AOC sez we should be excited about getting automated out of work

I agree we should be excited about automation and enhancements in technology taking jobs away. She's way off in her core messaging though...

Workers have to continuously make themselves more attractive by crafting their skills and learn new ones - that's not a bad thing, it's actually great! It's how we come up with ideas for new products that make our lives better.

New technologies will open up new industries, the ones who work the hardest to improve themselves and change with the times will get those jobs, the ones who sit on their asses will be left in the dust. It's how life works, she doesn't understand this.

"Over the next 13 years, the rising tide of automation will force as many as 70 million workers in the United States to find another way to make money, a new study from the global consultancy McKinsey predicts," The Washington Post reported. "That means nearly a third of the American workforce could face the need to pick up new skills or enter different fields in the near future, said the report's co-author, Michael Chui, a partner at the McKinsey Global Institute who studies business and economics."

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I agree we should be excited about automation and enhancements in technology taking jobs away. She's way off in her core messaging though...

Workers have to continuously make themselves more attractive by crafting their skills and learn new ones - that's not a bad thing, it's actually great! It's how we come up with ideas for new products that make our lives better.

New technologies will open up new industries, the ones who work the hardest to improve themselves and change with the times will get those jobs, the ones who sit on their asses will be left in the dust. It's how life works, she doesn't understand this.

"Over the next 13 years, the rising tide of automation will force as many as 70 million workers in the United States to find another way to make money, a new study from the global consultancy McKinsey predicts," The Washington Post reported. "That means nearly a third of the American workforce could face the need to pick up new skills or enter different fields in the near future, said the report's co-author, Michael Chui, a partner at the McKinsey Global Institute who studies business and economics."

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Thrilling.
 
IMHO it is a matter of time. There will be more automation/AI and less available jobs. When folks were talking about taxing corporate robots, I think they were dead on. Robots are more efficient and will make companies more money. Companies will pay more in taxes, not necessarily a higher rate, to pay for people not to work. Good, bad or indifferent, I see this as the world's future. I expect a larger divide between those with and without. If you have the skills to have a job it will pay well. The rest will be in a welfare state and just have to get by with what big brother chooses to give them. It might be a great utopia of fun and games but, I'm not optimistic. People need a purpose. Rome here we come.
 
I actually think what we'll find is that the middle-tier laborer will make much more money. Trades like plumber, electrician, HVAC, auto mechanic, carpenter... they could potentially be the next blue collar revolution. Just like the plant worker of the industrial revolution was a great opportunity for that generation. The types of work that don't lend themselves to automation will be more valuable.

Where I see automation and technology killing jobs are in fields of pharmacy, long haul trucking, orthodontist, IT (lots of IT), airlines, and even military.
 
IMHO it is a matter of time. There will be more automation/AI and less available jobs. When folks were talking about taxing corporate robots, I think they were dead on. Robots are more efficient and will make companies more money. Companies will pay more in taxes, not necessarily a higher rate, to pay for people not to work. Good, bad or indifferent, I see this as the world's future. I expect a larger divide between those with and without. If you have the skills to have a job it will pay well. The rest will be in a welfare state and just have to get by with what big brother chooses to give them. It might be a great utopia of fun and games but, I'm not optimistic. People need a purpose. Rome here we come.
I agree, idle hands are the Devil's workshop. Automation isn't a great thing.
 
I actually think what we'll find is that the middle-tier laborer will make much more money. Trades like plumber, electrician, HVAC, auto mechanic, carpenter... they could potentially be the next blue collar revolution. Just like the plant worker of the industrial revolution was a great opportunity for that generation. The types of work that don't lend themselves to automation will be more valuable.

Where I see automation and technology killing jobs are in fields of pharmacy, long haul trucking, orthodontist, IT (lots of IT), airlines, and even military.

Automotive (driving) replacement will be the biggest impact, and initially won't make a huge impact as driverless trucks will still require a driver.

However, when cars are self-driving, Uber, Lyft, and similar will no longer require 'consultants' as drivers, and that will basically kill the biggest drivers of the 'gig' economy.
 
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Automotive (driving) replacement will be the biggest impact, and initially won't make a huge impact as driverless trucks will still require a driver.

However, when cars are self-driving, Uber, Lyft, and similar will no longer require 'consultants' as drivers, and that will basically kill the biggest drivers of the 'gig' economy.
Oh I agree.

But traditionally high paying jobs like pharmacists will die out too. At least on the scale that they are today. What value does your local Walgreen's pharmacist add to the process? They almost never do a review of your drug interactions. That's all done by the drug interaction databases at the corporate level. Why the need for that knowledge at a location... especially as we move more to a mail based dispensary model.

Orthodontists will be a thing of the past with the invent of molded teeth correction plastics. (Invisalign) The need for traditional braces will simply die out. However, traditional dentists will still be needed.

With cloud computing, many of the traditional IT roles will be consolidated into the major data center companies. Companies will no longer need a local server guy when their server is sitting in AWS or Azure. Same with a SQL DBA, we'll just have database as a service.

Personally, I think accountants might also be on their way out as computer bases robotic process automation can replace them rather easily. You'll have accountants as some of the firms. But you won't need a ton of them any more as you can just upload your data and let them crunch it for you.

However,you'll still need repair men and construction workers, at least until 3D printing technology catches up to industrial scale needs. I think that's still a ways off.

But bank tellers, cashiers, etc... better look out.


When my kids when to college I directed them to fields that don't lend themselves to automation, aren't really outsourceable, and require a license.
My son is getting his PHD in micro biology to be a research scientist and my daughter is going to be a mortition.
 
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With cloud computing, many of the traditional IT roles will be consolidated into the major data center companies. Companies will no longer need a local server guy when their server is sitting in AWS or Azure. Same with a SQL DBA, we'll just have database as a service.
I think the role of IT is going to be in customizing cloud computing for specific needs. For instance PLM and ERPs are highly business specific.

Personally, I think accountants might also be on their way out as computer bases robotic process automation can replace them rather easily. You'll have accountants as some of the firms. But you won't need a ton of them any more as you can just upload your data and let them crunch it for you.
The data crunching has been automated for years. The role of accountants is setting up rules for what gets crunched as what to optimize taxes, financial metric, info for management.

However,you'll still need repair men and construction workers, at least until 3D printing technology catches up to industrial scale needs. I think that's still a ways off.
3D printing has limited usefulness. The advantage of 3D printing is that complexity and variation are essentially free, and that additive manufacturing techniques can make shapes that subtractive manufacturing can't. It isn't the panacea its boosters make it out to be.


But bank tellers, cashiers, etc... better look out.
ATMs have been around for quite some time.


daughter is going to be a mortition.
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But bank tellers, cashiers, etc... better look out.
Chase has been replacing their employees for years. One Chase I used to go to no longer has drive-in tellers. Everything is done via an ATM or indoors. The other Chase has cut back to 2 people handling both walk-in and drive-in lanes. Last Saturday there were cars 3 deep in the 3 drive-in lanes and people 8 deep inside. Those two girls were being run ragged.
 
Oh I agree.

But traditionally high paying jobs like pharmacists will die out too. At least on the scale that they are today. What value does your local Walgreen's pharmacist add to the process? They almost never do a review of your drug interactions. That's all done by the drug interaction databases at the corporate level. Why the need for that knowledge at a location... especially as we move more to a mail based dispensary model.

Orthodontists will be a thing of the past with the invent of molded teeth correction plastics. (Invisalign) The need for traditional braces will simply die out. However, traditional dentists will still be needed.

With cloud computing, many of the traditional IT roles will be consolidated into the major data center companies. Companies will no longer need a local server guy when their server is sitting in AWS or Azure. Same with a SQL DBA, we'll just have database as a service.

Personally, I think accountants might also be on their way out as computer bases robotic process automation can replace them rather easily. You'll have accountants as some of the firms. But you won't need a ton of them any more as you can just upload your data and let them crunch it for you.

However,you'll still need repair men and construction workers, at least until 3D printing technology catches up to industrial scale needs. I think that's still a ways off.

But bank tellers, cashiers, etc... better look out.


When my kids when to college I directed them to fields that don't lend themselves to automation, aren't really outsourceable, and require a license.
My son is getting his PHD in micro biology to be a research scientist and my daughter is going to be a mortition.
The market and workforce will adapt. Jobs and skills aren't eliminated, they are just positioned elsewhere.
 
The market and workforce will adapt. Jobs and skills aren't eliminated, they are just positioned elsewhere.

If allowed to happen naturally. My biggest concern with automation is when the government gets control and starts mandating items which creates unnatural activities and imbalances. For example, if self-driving trucks become a thing in 5 years (as predicted), then over time truck drivers will become obsolete and be replaced. But that happens over years and those in the industry won't see a sudden massive displacement. But if the government comes in and mandates that 5 years later all Trucks must be self-driving for highway safety, then you will see millions displaces simultaneously which the market won't be able to absorb or re-balance.
 
If allowed to happen naturally. My biggest concern with automation is when the government gets control and starts mandating items which creates unnatural activities and imbalances. For example, if self-driving trucks become a thing in 5 years (as predicted), then over time truck drivers will become obsolete and be replaced. But that happens over years and those in the industry won't see a sudden massive displacement. But if the government comes in and mandates that 5 years later all Trucks must be self-driving for highway safety, then you will see millions displaces simultaneously which the market won't be able to absorb or re-balance.
I agree with this, but then you got 5 years to learn a new skill. Doable for many and not for some. I get it.
 
Personally, I think accountants might also be on their way out as computer bases robotic process automation can replace them rather easily. You'll have accountants as some of the firms. But you won't need a ton of them any more as you can just upload your data and let them crunch it for you.

Accounting is a broad term. No doubt you can reduce the number of accountants, especially those doing data input and manual manipulation. The biggest problem is getting good data. Also, companies are fighting for limited internal IT resources and accounting tends to lose fights with operations.
 
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I'm skeptical at the rate that some feel automation will take jobs. My 3rd grade science book we used in the late 80s was written in the late 60s. It predicted a colonized moon by the early 90s. Sure, it was possible given the backdrop of the space race, but still..
I did see an interesting debate between Ben Shapiro and some other guy. Shapiro said that we've been dealing with this stuff for centuries. The other dude said that we've simply been fortunate to have only been competing with the lazy portion of an exponential funtion that is about to turn the corner and get more aggressive, vaguely similar to Al Gore's hockey sticks.
 
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