Did they low-ball you when you were offered a job? Just curious. With them being the major employer in town, I knew I was going to take a pay cut, but I wasn't expecting to be offered in the bottom 10%-15% of the listed salary range.
Any OSU staff employees here?
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When it comes to professors, I think OSU is generally on the low end of the pay scale, but it varies by department to an extent.
I know you said your wife was interviewing for a teaching position - what capacity would you be working in at OSU?
Look at accountant salaries at osu versus Tulsa/okc. Probably more than 15% cut. Not sure what field you are in.
Wife will be in Ag Econ, one of the better paying departments. I am in IT.
IT.
The issue I am seeing with pretty much every staff position, is that OSU sets the market with being the major employer in town. They know they have you particularly by the balls when it involves being a spousal hire. Knowing that you're tied to the Stillwater area, they offer so little. Looking at several of the job postings, the skills they want are very high, while the pay is very low.
Take an IT Security professional. The skills they prefer are for people who are making upwards of 80-100k a year. Their pay, I shit you not, is $18/hr.
So I know a few folks from IT at OSU. One I think is now the IT Director for the OSU foundation. He’s a fellow Delta Chi. DM me if you want a contact or just someone who’s been there and would have good advice.
Oh, and Cybersecurity people should make much more than 100k a year unless you are just a level 1 CSOC tech chasing down infected PC’s. I can attest that the sub-expertises of Cybersecurity in industrial control systems can pay significantly more. >grin<
Oh, and Cybersecurity people should make much more than 100k a year unless you are just a level 1 CSOC tech chasing down infected PC’s. I can attest that the sub-expertises of Cybersecurity in industrial control systems can pay significantly more. >grin<
18 per hour is a joke. You can’t get anyone competent to come work for that unless they just happened to be tied to someone else that had a significantly better job. The pay to get a top flight expert that could run the department would be at least 10 times that.
That was kind of my response to the hiring manager that offered me at such a low rate. Though I didn't outright say that, I did make it clear that her offer was not enough.
And, yes, the skills that they "desire" and what they are willing to pay for are not in the same stratosphere.
You go to osu for an easy life, snow days, vacation days, week off at Christmas, retirement, cheap insurance. IT might be a little different, but usually they aren’t going to try and compete. Now that your wife is there, your only option is to take it or drive to okc or Tulsa.
Historically hospitals are even more cheap on IT than education institutions.
Exactly. My company pretty much poaches the school systems and local hospital IT staff. Let them get trained there and then we hire them away.
Yes. Applied for a job at Interworks, hospital hasn't had anything, and what is the name of the aerospace company? I checked some of the other big companies in town, too (Armstrong, Kicker, etc.).
Three (or four) biggest employers in town are probably the three lowest in pay (hospital, City/School District, OSU).
Interworks is supposed to be the hip place to work. ASCO is the name of the aerospace company, they are housed where mercruiser used to be. Kicker would have been a good one, pro Agrica, frontier electronics.
I thought you nerds could work from home?
I thought you nerds could work from home?
Some jobs can, some can't. Some companies allow it, some companies do not. Very hit or miss. Plus, I don't know if I would like to work from home fulltime actually. I will check those other companies! Thanks for the heads up!
I talked to a recruiter for loves at a job fair last year. He said they were begging management to institute a day a week from home but they aren’t on board yet. They can’t get people to move to or stay in okc. One or two days at home and only driving to okc three days a week would be a game changer for a competitive salary I would think. Are you going to live in Stillwater? If you lived in the perkins hinterland you could be downtown okc in fifty minutes if you avoided rush hour. Lots of aerospace and oil and gas of course.
Yeah, wife wants Stillwater. A 3-day commute would be doable if that were the case (said practically everyone ever)...
I’d say we are inside 24 months to the next recession. Obviously sitting at osu when that happens would be ideal. I’ve worked there, lots of family and friends have worked there and your entire happiness existence depends on the people around you. The difference is the stereotype about getting rid of people is very real. Also efficiency versus this is how we’ve always done it is a problem. (Can’t imagine a field like IT would get away with that, but you might be butting heads with god knows who) you just can’t replicate the need of the private sector to constantly evaluate and improve processes. Again, maybe your sector would be different.
There are some real tyrants and unreasonable people there. Then you go somewhere else and everyone is so vanilla you think they might break if you make a joke.
There are some real tyrants and unreasonable people there. Then you go somewhere else and everyone is so vanilla you think they might break if you make a joke.
Sucks man, sorry to hear that.
Not that it's necessarily a great idea.... since you'll have benefits through your wife, this could be a good opportunity to start your own IT consulting business. Report to no one, control your own hours and workload, etc without the concern if a fallback plan. It might not appeal to you, but it could be fun.
Then again, that may only be a good option if your wife is getting tenure at OSU
She's a fresh outta grad school professor, so no tenure yet. And, I've looked at possible contract work, but Stillwater just isn't really the market for that.
I'd be leery of O&G positions for the time being as I think a significant number of companies are going to start trimming headcount in the next year or two. Whiting Petroleum here in Denver laid off 1/3 of their workforce today.
that is typical O&G, but why do you see companies starting to trim headcount? Something brewing?...besides a potential recession which is still at least a year away.
I wouldn’t be so sure it’s that far away. All sorts of evidence that manufacturing is slowing down globally. It could take a year or more for effects to hit all sectors perhaps, but I’m doubtful.
I have heard similar. But, the benefits really aren't a thing for me as I could always get through the wife. I am more on the "pay is lame" train for sure. I was expecting the paycut, but almost halving my current salary is a tough pill to swallow.
E&P companies have continued to place production growth as not just the top priority, but almost the only priority while commodity prices have hovered at levels that are only slightly above break even for some (at the field level). When you add in all the interest from the free-flowing debt that E&P companies incurred in recent years, it's tough for many companies to operate, and they're just starting to come to grips with that reality.
As I mentioned, WLL laid off a third of their workforce yesterday, another company here in town laid off close to 10% of their workforce 2 months ago, and one of my former employers laid off 5% of their workforce a few months ago. As companies scale down their drilling and completion activity, they start to analyze what employees they no longer need based on the slowdown.
Not to mention that companies in the Permian are "selling" their nat gas for less than $0.00 (i.e. paying someone to take it off their hands). Add in WTI prices crashing today after Trump's tweet, and things seem to be headed in the wrong direction for the O&G industry in a big way.
OP, she can come work for me in Dallas and I will help get you an IT job where you work from home.
