I’m curious how my Republican friends will react/respond to this.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...itist-approach-to-surveillance-abuses/552611/
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...itist-approach-to-surveillance-abuses/552611/
An Article From The Atlantic That Has Some Substance
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It not the govt that survails the populace, its private industry.
You don't have any secrets from f'n retail stores.
You don't have any secrets from f'n retail stores.
True.
The “free market” knows more about you and invades your privacy much more than the FBI ever dreamed of.
I won’t dispute your assertion about retail stores, at least as it regards a person’s consumer preferences. But you are mistaken if you think the NSA doesn’t catch you up in its surveillance. And they are interested in knowing far more about you than what stuff you want to buy.
NSA gets much of their surveillance information directly from commercial big data.
Welcome to the information age. Sucking in large volumes of information used for numerous purposes is standard fare now. Unless you choose to live a life devoid of modern transactions (ever read those things you click "I agree" to?), your transactions (yes, most all of them, sometimes including cash) are in a domain accessible to anyone with access, legal and illegal.
With that reality in mind (I know, it doesn't fit the sensibilities of a philosophical anarchist), it isn't what they know that concerns me. It's what they choose to do with it. You literally cannot have an "anonymous" email account without somebody(s) being able to decipher you. You can't have a bank account without somebody being able to decipher you. Gas? Internet? Electric? A Sears charge card? Car insurance? Health insurance? A cell phone? Yep, all included.
You are sadly mistaken if you think it's contained to consumer preferences.
OK , I read the link Medic provided regarding Google’s “Surveillance Capitalism” and it specifically stated Google spies on us so it can sell advertisements that might appeal to us as individuals. You imply they use it for more sinister means. What are those sinister means? I honestly don’t know. I’m hoping you can bring me up to speed.
Secondarily it seems to me you are unperturbed that the government violates the Fourth Amendment with nary a pause. Am I misunderstanding your attitude?
Thirdly, the link I provided chided the Republicans for raising hell that the “deep state” has gone after DJT with great viciousness, but had said not a word about its (the deep state’s) viciousness against those of us who are not elite, not one of them. Do you have any thoughts on that topic, which was the original intent of my post?
The CIA has a bigly contract with Bezo’s Amazon (hey Siri!). It’s pretty incestuous.
From the board’s favorite leftist rag. They wouldn’t even report this story today.
https://www.theatlantic.com/technol...tails-about-the-cias-deal-with-amazon/374632/
To be fair, I read the Atlantic from time to time as they have good foreign policy intel and reporting.
I've tried many times to point you in the right direction gently.
There is no difference in the govt and private info gathering, it's commingled.
Why are you so willing to give your info to someone that sells it every day but so worried about the govt?
How can you deduce that I'm on board for the govt when I've bitched and moaned about this so much about information gathering. That's not a logical assumption on your part.
I know why, it's because I haven't said what you want me to say while really showing you where you need to look. You're behind the times by years on this debate.
For the record, information gathering on the populace is bad, govt. or private.
Asking you to educate him instead of educating himself is a common passive aggressive technique. It puts you in the position of trying to convince him of something he is never going to be convinced of due to his unrealistic, irrational, utopian thinking.
I apologize for not noticing your past complaints about information gathering. I deduced you’re not concerned about the government’s activities in that regard because in your original response you said something along the lines of “it’s not the government that snoops it’s private industry.” That led me to believe you are not concerned or aware of what the government does. Obviously a bad deduction on my part!
The link that John Voight provided shows just how much intermingling there is between government and private spying, and I share your concern. It looks like the government is determined to see to it there can never again be another Snowden incident, which is frightful.
The difference I see between capitalist surveillance and government surveillance is wide, in my opinion. Left to its own devices a company like Macy’s does not have the wherewithal or desire to establish secret prisons. Big Brother, on the other hand, does.
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I think your opinion was formed before you read anything posted. Private industry is "listening" to you and mapping your surroundings 24/7. They aren't looking for buzzwords to put you on a watchlist. They just vacuum up everything you do. You carry a locator with a mic and high definition camera everywhere and its pinging constantly.
Believe me, I’m not arguing against that point. The question you are not answering is to what end is private industry tracking my movements? You are implying they are doing it for nefarious purposes. I’m asking what are those nefarious purposes? They are tracking us for a reason. What is that reason?
I’m sure you think I’m as dense as a rock. But I’m trying to piece it together, and I’m not following. You are concerned that private industry is tracking our movements and sharing it with government agencies? Have I got that right? So basically you don’t like it that government spy agencies can access the information gathered by private entities? If that’s your argument you and I share the same concern. Is the sharing of the information with the feds the nefarious purpose? I trying to ask a simple question but feel I’m being given ambiguous answers.
The govt. has oversight ( snicker .)
Any moron at a data company with an IP can undress you.
Hell, I can do the same from my home.
Any moron at a data company with an IP can undress you.
Hell, I can do the same from my home.
Maybe he just doesn’t share the same unquestioning trust in the righteous behavior of the “free” market players that you do.
Non-governmental entities with that much information can invade your privacy and mess up your life just as effectively as the government despite not being able to directly jail you.
