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Selling subsidized produce employing minimum wage workers accepting food stamps/EBT from customers. You sure that is your ideal market example?
 
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Selling subsidized produce employing minimum wage workers accepting food stamps/EBT from customers. You sure that is your ideal market example?
Ideal market example? No, of course not. But compared to places like Venezuela I'll take it. Which do you prefer?
 
Ideal market example? No, of course not. But compared to places like Venezuela I'll take it. Which do you prefer?
I was struck by how the author of the book repeatedly pointed out how sensitive the grocery stores are to public sentiment. Working with such a small margin they have to be. The public wants gluten free, suddenly there are whole sections filled with gluten free. It shows how dependent the seller is to the needs of the buyer. In free markets the consumer is king! Too many people have concluded it's the other way around.
 
Since we are talking free markets, what's peoples' thoughts on Trump pushing to privatize air traffic control. I'm for it personally. I work for an organization that is private, is jointly owned by our participants, and very heavily regulated. But its not part of the government. So I know the model can work.
 
Not really.
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Why would professionals be leaving the country if it was so great? Why were Jews leaving?
 
Venezuela was pretty great when oil was $120.
Venezuela was pretty great when oil was $120.
That's an interesting trend in socialist countries, don't you find? They're pretty great until they aren't. When they can no longer fleece or rob Peter to pay Paul (because Peter has either been tapped out by extortionist taxes, imprisoned or had his livelihood nationalized) things start to turn ugly for the masses. And to further compound the trend, the government always manages to persuade its people that it's Peter's fault!
 
Why would professionals be leaving the country if it was so great? Why were Jews leaving?
It is what happens when the people on the wrong side of politics have the means to leave. There were definitely losers when it came to Bolivarianism.
 
It is what happens when the people on the wrong side of politics have the means to leave. There were definitely losers when it came to Bolivarianism.
Like I said, doesn't sound so great.
 
That's an interesting trend in socialist countries, don't you find? They're pretty great until they aren't. When they can no longer fleece or rob Peter to pay Paul (because Peter has either been tapped out by extortionist taxes, imprisoned or had his livelihood nationalized) things start to turn ugly for the masses. And to further compound the trend, the government always manages to persuade its people that it's Peter's fault!
Or when you can no longer sell your greatest national resource for even half of what you could sell it for the year before. Or when the most powerful country in the world is dedicated to making sure you fail.
 
Or when you can no longer sell your greatest national resource for even half of what you could sell it for the year before. Or when the most powerful country in the world is dedicated to making sure you fail.

OK, we're talking about oil in Venezuela. I assume by "natural resource" you mean the oil is the property of all the people in the country. In what way does the small restaurant owner in Porlamar have property rights to the oil? I maintain the oil is the property of the land owner under which the oil resides. The restaurant owner has nothing to do with the oil. He doesn't even know it's there. No, someone else had to locate the oil, drill for it, extract it from the earth, ship it to be refined, refine it and market it to the public. Those are the people to whom the oil belongs. When the government of Venezuela began regulating and taxing, and eventually nationalizing a product that belonged to private individuals and enterprises it sewed the seeds of the country's destruction. Just like it happens every time a country goes socialist. In Venezuela's case the oil companies were the Peter from whom the government extorted in order to pay all the Pauls. The market declined and chaos ensued.

As for your contention that the US dedicated itself to make sure a socialist Venezuela would fail, to that I have no knowledge. You're probably right. Governments in all forms are intrusive. What's funny is the US didn't need to intervene (if, indeed, it did). Socialism falls under the weight of its own
making. It was just a matter of time before this happened.

I'm surprised you can't see that. You strike me as a pretty intelligent person.
 
OK, we're talking about oil in Venezuela. I assume by "natural resource" you mean the oil is the property of all the people in the country. In what way does the small restaurant owner in Porlamar have property rights to the oil? I maintain the oil is the property of the land owner under which the oil resides.
Who owns the land?

The restaurant owner has nothing to do with the oil. He doesn't even know it's there. No, someone else had to locate the oil, drill for it, extract it from the earth, ship it to be refined, refine it and market it to the public.
The people that do that are fairly compensated.


Those are the people to whom the oil belongs. When the government of Venezuela began regulating and taxing, and eventually nationalizing a product that belonged to private individuals and enterprises it sewed the seeds of the country's destruction.
How?


Just like it happens every time a country goes socialist. In Venezuela's case the oil companies were the Peter from whom the government extorted in order to pay all the Pauls. The market declined and chaos ensued.
You are confusing Dutch Disease with Socialism. The collective ownership of oil resources isn't what brought Venezuela into chaos it is the fluctuating value of those resources.

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What's funny is the US didn't need to intervene (if, indeed, it did). Socialism falls under the weight of its own
making. It was just a matter of time before this happened.
I'm going to need some proof or at least some reasoning on this one.
 
Who owns the land?

The people that do that are fairly compensated.


How?


You are confusing Dutch Disease with Socialism. The collective ownership of oil resources isn't what brought Venezuela into chaos it is the fluctuating value of those resources.

[ I'm going to need some proof or at least some reasoning on this one.
OK, we're both wasting our time. I give you the last word.
 
OK, we're both wasting our time. I give you the last word.
Dan, we can reduce the scope of the discussion to just land ownership. How does land as personal property square with the libertarian principles of non-aggression? I can see how you can lay claim to items you produce as personal property, but how does society go from a state of nature to private ownership of land and natural resources?
 
Dan, we can reduce the scope of the discussion to just land ownership. How does land as personal property square with the libertarian principles of non-aggression? I can see how you can lay claim to items you produce as personal property, but how does society go from a state of nature to private ownership of land and natural resources?
Not without coercion/force at some point.
 
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