A Question For My Democratic Party Friends
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Not who this is targeted at, but lol, no thanks.
At this point, I think the next Democratic nominee for President will be one of these three individuals:
Bernie Sanders
Joe Biden
Kamala Harris
Some would add Elizabeth Warren but I don't see her getting the nomination if Sanders runs and at this point, it appears Sanders is going to run.
And there is always the chance someone comes out of nowhere to get the nomination but if these three run, I think the odds of that drastically decrease.
I disagree. I think all three of them have a good chance. It will just depend on where we are come the 2020 primaries and who has the best organization/message.
Keep an eye on Harris.
https://www.glamour.com/story/women-of-the-year-2018-kamala-harris
Slut shaming for how her career got started will be hard to watch. Just unfair in my opinion.
Joe Biden and Deval Patrick are my favorite and dark horse pick.
Is Patrick even going to run?
If he does, I could see him with an outside shot. I just don't see (at this point) anyone other then the three I named getting the nomination if they all run. Now, if they all don't run, I think there is a good shot we could see a dark horse emerge.
How are the top two candidates for the party of the young and diverse 2 75+ year old white guys?
Personally, I think Howard Shultz becomes a front-runner should he run. Has money, can appeal to the 'corporate, wall-street Dems', and while a corporate billionaire, he has run a company that the millenial generation supports so he won't be crucified as a corporate/wall-street shill like a Jamie Dimon might.
My guess is that the Dems won't nominate a straight, white male. The nominee will be some version of minority - female, POC, sexual orientation, etc. Identity politics are just too strong with many on the left side of the aisle.
Yeah he’s definitely running, The Obama’s have been preparing Deval and his wife for the last year for the rigors of a national campaign. I bet he throws his hat in the race later this week.
In terms of their age, experience. Plus young voters love Bernie. As for their race, you don't think a white guy can lead a diverse party?
Trump is 72 btw.
When’s the last time Republicans ran anything but a straight, white, male for President?
Identity politics runs both ways.
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I disagree. Sure, he would appear to "corporate wall-street Dems" but that isn't where the party is or is going.
Shultz would need Biden not to run to have any shot.
lol
I completely disagree if you are claiming the Dems would not nominate a white man. The two front-runners right now are white men.
Some of you have a warped view of the Democratic Party.
So you think the Obama machine backs him over Biden? Or do you think Biden isn't going to run?
The problem with this is that there just aren't that many who are electable. Oprah could. I guess Obama proved you could go straight to the White House from being a Jr. Senator, but he had the 2006 recession as a major tailwind and was a world-class orator, and prior to his election, had only spoken unifying rhetoric. Kamala Harris, Corey Booker, and others don't have those cards. And Female CEOs, outside of Oprah, would be? Its sad, but Oprah, imo, is the Dem's best (only?) hope for a 2020 victory over Trump (barring some catastrophic market collapse or similar that can be attributed to him).
Again, have to disagree with this too. I think the three I named could easily beat Trump. I also think there are others who could beat him too. Both Biden and Sanders routinely lead him in polls right now.
The Dems have a great shot at winning in 2020 if they keep playing their cards right and don't really mess up (i.e. something like nominating Clinton again, pursuing impeachment without serious law violations, etc.).
Sorry, I don't disagree on Bernie or Biden. Both would give Trump a good run. I was referring to the available 'minority' candidates (should have been more explicit in my last sentence). I don't think Kamala Harris has a snowball's chance in Hades of beating Trump, short of some significant event occurring between now and then (market crash, real charges against Trump, etc...)
One more thing: Does nominating/electing Pelosi as Speaker of the House count as a "really mess up"?
I don't really look at this as a white/minority issue. I'm just looking at the candidates and what they each could possibly bring to the table.
I do think you are greatly underestimating Harris though. Her popularity in the Democratic Party has been growing. She has been building a base of party support this election cycle. She also is very articulate, has an inspiring story, and is tough. She could easily run a unifying campaign that could defeat Trump. Republicans underestimate her at their own peril.
btw, I also think she could be the VP nominee on a ticket with either Biden or Sanders or someone else. Adding her would only enhance such a ticket in my opinion.
From what I have read, the Obamas want them both to run but would prefer Deval as he is more ideologically aligned with Barack than Joe. I wouldn’t be surprised if they end up on the same ticket either. The Dems are going to flood the field with excellent choices in 2020, that way one of them will definitely will lead the party. Reverse play of the Republicans 2016 primaries.
One more thing: Does nominating/electing Pelosi as Speaker of the House count as a "really mess up"?
I agree with you on the latter. As I said on the prior message, I think there are other non-minority candidates who are very viable. I think Shultz (Starbucks ex-CEO) would have every shot of winning. I was only responding the the statement that the Dems would nominate a minority, and that outside of Oprah, I don't think any would stand a chance.
Not sure I do.....seemed like you were asserting Dems play identity politics and Republicans don’t.
If I misinterpreted, Mea culpa.
You don't think the Republican's flooded the field with good candidates? I'd beg to differ. Its actually why Trump got nominated, because each of the candidates had their own viable path/story and they all took from each other. Then the 30% that appreciates the loud-mouth, crude, just want-to-be-different stuck with Trump and carried him through. If you do what you are suggesting, you won't get a great candidate. They will eliminate each other and you will end up just like the Repubs with a: OMG, what have we just done? If the Repubs had narrowed the field from 16 to 7 on day 1, Trump never gets the nomination.
I would be surprised if the Obama's didn't back Biden if he does run. I definitely could see Deval as a possible VP choice for Biden though, or someone for his cabinet.
You are right though, the Dems have many excellent choices for 2020. I just think if both Biden and Sanders run, it will be tough for someone "new" (so to speak) to break through. All bets are off though if one of them doesn't run.
Still a ways out though and a lot could change between now and the 2020 primaries.
No.
I would prefer someone else but electing Pelosi as Speaker wouldn't be a major blunder that would set them back for 2020.
I do agree with this. Trump benefited from the large field and the absence of strong front-runners early on. Had it became a two person race early on, Trump probably would not have won the nomination.
People really think Bernie would have a chance? I really disagree. He’s probably the one “Democrat” that would actively make me go and vote for Trump (at least of those who have a real shot), and I think there are a lot of moderates who think that way too. What do I know though. I agree w Biden. The Dems made a huge mistake when they let/made him sit out in 2016. He would have easily won IMO.
This is where I disagree. Pelosi to me doesn't play in the 'purple' states that matter. Her election would allow Republicans to run ads non-stop that a vote for a Dem is a vote for Pelosi's (aka far-left) Democratic party.
I think Sanders would have beat Trump in 2016. He should have been the nominee over Clinton. And yes, I think he could beat Trump in 2020.
I agree with you too about Biden in 2016. I think he also would have beaten Trump. I do wonder though what the outcome would have been among Democrats had Biden, Clinton, and Sanders all been candidates in 2016. Would Biden and Clinton have divided their support and allowed Sanders to claim the nomination?
I like Harris so far, I think she would be a better AG than a president based off of her experience and how much she hates interviews and public speaking.
