A Heartfelt Plea For Progressives

[Ponca Dan]

To contemplate 12 errors their leadership advocates. Maybe it is best to think for yourself.

12 Reasons Why Progressives Should Rethink Their Leaders’ Failing Revolution - LewRockwell

Dear Progressive Friends, Is our survival at stake? Why? As leaders tell the story, existential threats loom everywhere. Viruses. Climate change. Race-gender bias. Their list keeps growing. Our leaders – politicians, technocrats, academics, media, activists – insist that we must fear for our...

www.lewrockwell.com

 

[my_2cents]

Maybe it is best to think for yourself.

I do think for myself, that is why I'm a progressive.

 

[Ponca Dan]

I do think for myself, that is why I'm a progressive.

Then you should eagerly read the link to see if your thinking is in error in some places. That’s what a free thinker would do. Personally I find it difficult to see how anyone (such as yourself) can consider he thinks for himself when he regurgitates every single talking point from the progressuve playbook.

 

[my_2cents]

Then you should eagerly read the link to see if your thinking is in error in some places.

I did read it. It is the typical junk one would expect to find at lewrockwell.com.

Personally I find it difficult to see how anyone (such as yourself) can consider he thinks for himself when he regurgitates every single talking point from the .

This is hilarious coming from you, as you literally started a thread to regurgitate what you read at lewrockwell.com. And this isn't the first time you have cited to that website. You do so rather often.

Tell me Dan, do you regularly read any progressive websites or progressive authors (besides opportunist Gabbard)?

 

[Ponca Dan]

I did read it. It is the typical junk one would expect to find at lewrockwell.com.


This is hilarious coming from you, as you literally started a thread to regurgitate what you read at lewrockwell.com. And this isn't the first time you have cited to that website. You do so rather often.

Tell me Dan, do you regularly read any progressive websites or progressive authors (besides opportunist Gabbard)?

Posted this just the other day. Did you read it?

The Left's Covid failure

Amplifying the crisis is no way to rebuild trust

unherd.com

 

[my_2cents]

Posted this just the other day. Did you read it?

Yes I read it.

I'll ask again though, do you regularly read any progressive websites or progressive authors . . . especially those who challenge your right-wing thinking?

If so, provide some links to articles you agree with that critique conservatives and/or libertarians. Link to some articles you agree with that critique the current Republican opposition policy in the USA.

 

[Corndog2021]

Yes I read it.

I'll ask again though, do you regularly read any progressive websites or progressive authors . . . especially those who challenge your right-wing thinking?

If so, provide some links to articles you agree with that critique conservatives and/or libertarians. Link to some articles you agree with that critique the current Republican opposition policy in the USA.

Libturd Policies and Idealogs have devastated the US and the whole Earth actually- global elite leftist brainwash you gullible morons and destruction is all that takes place- y'all should pick an island and settle- maybe China?! Not an island but y'all have the same beliefs yes?
Leave the USA to have no taxes, no child trafficking, closed borders, animal cruelty felonies, anti communism et al

Please please please leave 🙏🙏

 

[my_2cents]

Libturd Policies and Idealogs have devastated the US and the whole Earth actually- global elite leftist brainwash you gullible morons and destruction is all that takes place- y'all should pick an island and settle- maybe China?! Not an island but y'all have the same beliefs yes?
Leave the USA to have no taxes, no child trafficking, closed borders, animal cruelty felonies, anti communism et al

Please please please leave 🙏🙏

I thought you said you were leaving this board?

What happened?

 

[Ponca Dan]

Yes I read it.

I'll ask again though, do you regularly read any progressive websites or progressive authors . . . especially those who challenge your right-wing thinking?

If so, provide some links to articles you agree with that critique conservatives and/or libertarians. Link to some articles you agree with that critique the current Republican opposition policy in the USA.

I will read any progressive link you want to share, and will comment on the content of the link rather than dismiss and ridicule its internet source.

 

[Corndog2021]

I thought you said you were leaving this board?

What happened?

No sorry- took a few
Days. So y'all going to China? You sound upset-
You know Libturds are killing the country yes?

 

[my_2cents]

I will read any progressive link you want to share, and will comment on the content of the link rather than dismiss and ridicule its internet source.

But you have no problem attacking my thoughts and positions by claiming I'm simply regurgitating talking points. You hardly ever address the content of my positions/arguments or those from any other progressive on this board.

Again though...since you are a free thinker and all...are there any articles from a progressive viewpoint in which you agree with that critique conservatives and/or libertarians? Any progressive articles you agree with that critique the current Republican opposition policy in the USA? If so, please provide the links.

 

[my_2cents]

So y'all going to China?

No, we are going to stay right here and continue to improve this country. Make it more fair and equal for all Americans. You are welcome to find yourself an island though if this bothers you. Enjoy!

 

[Corndog2021]

No, we are going to stay right here and continue to improve this country. Make it more fair and equal for all Americans. You are welcome to find yourself an island though if this bothers you. Enjoy!

How do you make it fair? Higher taxes, pedophilia, Shot mandates, Open borders, cahoots with the cartels to fun fentanyl,
Child and women trafficking- how's that better exactly?

 

[my_2cents]

Nothing huh @Ponca Dan?

What a shock!

 

[Alpha Woke]

Nothing huh @Ponca Dan?

What a shock!

Post those links to the good progressive news sites.

 

[my_2cents]

Post those links to the good progressive news sites.

I wasn't asking for links to good progressive news sites.

I asked @Ponca Dan if there are any articles from a progressive viewpoint in which he agrees with that critique conservatives and/or libertarians. Any progressive articles he agrees with that critique the current Republican opposition policy in the USA.

Apparently there are none that he agrees with, which isn't shocking. He only cares about a progressive article when it is critiquing Democrats.

 

[HighStickHarry]

No, we are going to stay right here and continue to improve this country. Make it more fair and equal for all Americans. You are welcome to find yourself an island though if this bothers you. Enjoy!

What have liberals improved? Your blue areas are cracking around the country with your stupid beliefs and you don’t care. Fix one place and then we will listen,

 

[my_2cents]

What have liberals improved?

A lot throughout our history. Civil rights, more equality for all Americans, economic aid and attempts at economic equality for Americans, etc.

 

[Alpha Woke]

I wasn't asking for links to good progressive news sites.

I asked @Ponca Dan if there are any articles from a progressive viewpoint in which he agrees with that critique conservatives and/or libertarians. Any progressive articles he agrees with that critique the current Republican opposition policy in the USA.

Apparently there are none that he agrees with, which isn't shocking. He only cares about a progressive article when it is critiquing Democrats.

I am asking.

 

[my_2cents]

I am asking.

No you are trying to change the conversation.

I'll wait to see if @Ponca Dan wants to actually post some articles to show how much of a free thinker he really is. You want to start a new conversation, start a new thread.

 

[Alpha Woke]

No you are trying to change the conversation.

I'll wait to see if @Ponca Dan wants to actually post some articles to show how much of a free thinker he really is. You want to start a new conversation, start a new thread.

Thats answered in another thread so feel free to go ahead and answer.

 

[HighStickHarry]

A lot throughout our history. Civil rights, more equality for all Americans, economic aid and attempts at economic equality for Americans, etc.

what has that done to our most vulnerable communities over the last fifty years?

 

[my_2cents]

Thats answered in another thread

What thread?

 

[my_2cents]

what has that done to our most vulnerable communities over the last fifty years?

It has greatly improved the lives of many Americans. Yet, there is still work that needs to be done, especially when it comes to economic inequalities.

 

[Ponca Dan]

I wasn't asking for links to good progressive news sites.

I asked @Ponca Dan if there are any articles from a progressive viewpoint in which he agrees with that critique conservatives and/or libertarians. Any progressive articles he agrees with that critique the current Republican opposition policy in the USA.

Apparently there are none that he agrees with, which isn't shocking. He only cares about a progressive article when it is critiquing Democrats.

No, it should come as a shock to no one that a libertarian/anarchist does not pay much heed to the rampant collectivism of today’s progressives. I dropped my subscription to The Nation magazine when Katrina vanden Heuvel began giving voice to Maoists, and The New Republic when Marty Peretz sold to a young fellow (I forget his name). It just was never the same. Of course the fact that my son wrote there as Assistant Literary Editor under Leon Wieseltier contributed to my gobbling every word of every copy. He quit to pursue writing about sports. Interestingly Katrina vanden Heuvel was married to Stephen Cohen, one of the left's harshest critics of the Progressive-inspired Trump Russian hoax. (He died not too long ago.)

So to answer your question, no, I don’t read websites that advocate for authoritarianism.

But I repeat my earlier proposition: post a link to an intelligent progressive critique of conservatism or libertarianism and I’ll read it and comment on its contents. Bear in mind I might agree with much of a critique of today’s so-called conservatives.

 

[my_2cents]

So to answer your question, no, I don’t read websites that advocate for authoritarianism.

That wasn't my question at all.

You claim on this board routinely to be a "free thinker" who criticizes both sides. You even just said in your last post that you "might agree with much of a critique of today’s so-called conservatives."

So again . . . are there any articles from a progressive viewpoint in which you agree with that critique conservatives and/or libertarians? Any progressive articles you agree with that critique the current Republican opposition policy in the USA? Yes or no?

 

[Ponca Dan]

That wasn't my question at all.

You claim on this board routinely to be a "free thinker" who criticizes both sides. You even just said in your last post that you "might agree with much of a critique of today’s so-called conservatives."

So again...Are there any articles from a progressive viewpoint in which you agree with that critique conservatives and/or libertarians? Any progressive articles you agree with that critique the current Republican opposition policy in the USA? Yes or no?

You seem to be unable to take “no” for an answer. Let me repeat myself: there are no progressive critiques of conservatism or libertarianism I can say I agree with because I don’t read progressive (authoritarian) websites. Therefore I am unaware of any such articles. You imply you know of their existence, so by all means share some of them. The fact you are so reluctant suggests you don’t know of any articles either. So, do a quick Google search and get back to me! This reminds me of a conversation we had awhile back in which you claimed to be well read but failed to divulge anything of substance on your reading list.

 

[my_2cents]

Let me repeat myself: there are no progressive critiques of conservatism or libertarianism I can say I agree with because I don’t read progressive (authoritarian) websites.

So then you aren't a free thinker after all. You don't read any website or articles that challenges your political ideology, which is right-wing.

Thanks for clearing that up. I already knew it of course (I mean heck, you didn't even know what democratic socialism was while you were attacking it🤣🤣), but good to see you finally admit it for once

 

[Sunburnt Indian]

what has that done to our most vulnerable communities over the last fifty years?

As a teenager, I used to sit on the porch swing of the original Whitney Houston in south Lawton. At 5:30. we greeted her father who came home from work. Fathers all up and down the street came home from work. Today those fathers are long time gone. LBJ's "Great Society" took care of the fathers.

I've walked the streets of East Cleveland and South Chicago. Grandma can't let grandkids play out on the sidewalk. Drive bye shooters. That's what progressives have done to vulnerable communities in the last 50 years.

 

[Ponca Dan]

So then you aren't a free thinker after all. You don't read any website or articles that challenges your political ideology, which is right-wing.

Thanks for clearing that up. I already knew it of course, but good to see you finally admit it.

I commend you for your single-minded determination to take a link about progressive philosophical errors and make it (in your mind) about whether or not I’m a free thinker.

But let me put it like this, and then I'll be done with this conversation (you can claim victory because you can have the last word!): if a mathematician asks me to believe in one of his formulas while insisting 2 plus 2 equals 3, I’m not going to give him the time of day. Because the fundamental world view of progressivism is unadulterated authoritarian collectivism I’m not going to waste my time studying it. Any philosophy with such a flawed foundation cannot possibly have enough value to bother with. As George Carlin would put it: garbage in, garbage out

That having been said, post a link or two or three and out of courtesy to you, and because I gave you my word that I would, I’ll read them.

The floor is yours.

 

[my_2cents]

Because the fundamental world view of progressivism is unadulterated authoritarian collectivism I’m not going to waste my time studying it.

How do you know what progressivism is if you refuse to study it?

Just like you were attacking democratic socialism and yet, you had no clue what it was. How absurd is that?

All you do is read material that supports your political viewpoint. You just admitted to that. You are not interested in truly studying anything that challenges your presuppositions. You are the typical Fox News right-winger.

 

[my_2cents]

btw @Ponca Dan, if you don't read progressive websites, how in the world did you find the article/study from the Jacobin website you linked to?

 

[Ponca Dan]

btw @Ponca Dan, if you don't read progressive websites, how in the world did you find the article/study from the Jacobin website you linked to?

Got the link from a libertarian website. I used to scan Jacobin from time to time, but had not looked at it for a long time.

 

[2012Bearcat]

A lot throughout our history. Civil rights, more equality for all Americans, economic aid and attempts at economic equality for Americans, etc.

Civil rights were a Republican movement you idiot.

 

[my_2cents]

Got the link from a libertarian website.

Figures.

Since you linked to the website (one of my favorites from the left btw), here is another article. This is one that your libertarian websites won't link to. It is from 2019, but still worth reading.

You said you would read an article I linked to. Ok, here you go. Thoughts?

The Right is afraid of the people — because they know that a mass democratic movement can win.

 

[my_2cents]

Civil rights were a Republican movement you idiot.

Were Republicans really the party of civil rights in the 1960s?

 

[2012Bearcat]

Were Republicans really the party of civil rights in the 1960s?

It damn sure wasn't Democrats fighting for the black community back in the 50's and 60's. Democrats didn't get on board till they figured out how they could keep black people in poverty with LBJ's BS legislation. That legislation has done exactly as it was designed and has kept the black community under the government boot going on 60 years.

 

[HighStickHarry]

It has greatly improved the lives of many Americans. Yet, there is still work that needs to be done, especially when it comes to economic inequalities.

Ok I’m looking forward to your great progress.

 

[Ponca Dan]

Figures.

Since you linked to the website (one of my favorites from the left btw), here is another article. This is one that your libertarian websites won't link to. It is from 2019, but still worth reading.

You said you would read an article I linked to. Ok, here you go. Thoughts?

The Right is afraid of the people — because they know that a mass democratic movement can win.

I read it. And after reading it I would say that knowing that you accept it as unvarnished objective reporting, and knowing that is the only type of rhetoric or opinion you embrace as reality it becomes abundantly clear why you post on this board with such unyielding stubbornness. You exhibit one trait that has routinely baffled me, this notion that any opinion that does not comport with rabid progressive thinking can mean only one thing, it comes from the hated right wing. And the right wing can never be correct about anything. It is clear that articles like this have thoroughly infected you with this attitude.

I’ll give one example of the muddy thinking this author utilizes. By not defining what conservative thought represents he gets to label anyone with whom he disagrees as a conservative. He calls Donald Trump a conservative, which is utterly laughable. Trump is a mercantilist and a nationalist, sort of a soft-core fascist. Soft core. Most decidedly not a 1930’s style authoritarian. And definitely not conservative!

But you apparently eat that stuff up, let it absorb into your pores. This article, this criticism could have been so good, but there’s not an ounce of objectivity in it. Every word, the whole language used is devised to create intolerance and deflect anyone from believing there could ever be a disagreement that would be based on logical, individualist thought.

I thank you for posting this. I have never before had such a clear understanding of why you behave the way you do.

 

[my_2cents]

It damn sure wasn't Democrats fighting for the black community back in the 50's and 60's.

Yes, Democrats were fighting for black community back then. And they still are.

That legislation has done exactly as it was designed and has kept the black community under the government boot going on 60 years.

Spoken like a true Republican who opposes civil rights.