A little something all of us could use.
https://acton.org/publications/tran...omics-bring-back-humility-and-civil-discourse
https://acton.org/publications/tran...omics-bring-back-humility-and-civil-discourse
A Call For Humility And Civil Discourse
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Civil discourse starts with an unbiased and fair media, who is interested in accountability and giving credit where credit is due, not for the sake of validating you're personal political beliefs/agenda under the cover of being a fair journalist. But for recognizing a good job. While the article is interesting it leaves out that portion of the dynamic while including things like tribalism, which is a huge issue.
Had numerous "friends" drop me when Trump won and I was quite circumspect about his win. They on the other hand spent 8 years telling me how the ex-rodent in chief never received enough credit for his economic, political and world stage accomplishments, many of which are justifiably debatable.
The largest problem you have and a continued thorn in the side of civil discourse is the lack of people observing proper protocol over personal animosity. For instance John Lewis boycotting the opening of the Civil Rights Museum because Trump was going to speak, or the dipshit congressmen from Oregon who will not attend the State of The Union address by Trump later this month. No secret I loathed the last President, but protocol dictates that these actions are unacceptable and even counter productive. When the adults, "alleged leaders," act more petty and vindictive then a room full of 4 year olds, civil discourse will never be attainable. I remember Joe Wilson being rightfully called out for his action at one of the ex-rodent in chiefs speeches, even by his own party, yet you rarely see that reciprocated by the other groups or even his own party.
Had numerous "friends" drop me when Trump won and I was quite circumspect about his win. They on the other hand spent 8 years telling me how the ex-rodent in chief never received enough credit for his economic, political and world stage accomplishments, many of which are justifiably debatable.
The largest problem you have and a continued thorn in the side of civil discourse is the lack of people observing proper protocol over personal animosity. For instance John Lewis boycotting the opening of the Civil Rights Museum because Trump was going to speak, or the dipshit congressmen from Oregon who will not attend the State of The Union address by Trump later this month. No secret I loathed the last President, but protocol dictates that these actions are unacceptable and even counter productive. When the adults, "alleged leaders," act more petty and vindictive then a room full of 4 year olds, civil discourse will never be attainable. I remember Joe Wilson being rightfully called out for his action at one of the ex-rodent in chiefs speeches, even by his own party, yet you rarely see that reciprocated by the other groups or even his own party.
Jerry Springer has been a hit show for a reason. We are the sum of our parts.
I can’t/won’t argue with anything you said, but you’re basically missing the point of the article. If we all sit around waiting for to other guy to spontaneously become humble/civil nothing will ever change. Someone has to go first. Someone has to lead the rest of us out of this tangled web we’ve put ourselves into. Why can’t it be you? Or me? The best line in the article was the one that said “argue as if you’re right, but listen as if you might be wrong.” If one side of the debate practices that technique the other side will soon follow suit. Don’t believe it? Try it and see.
if you think for one second the high road is a place where you gather for a meeting of the minds with these hildetards and her ilk you will get run over by the truck they send to greet you.
ask bernie
This make me think of the scene in Star Wars where the emperor implores Luke Skywalker to embrace his hatred, knowing that’s the only path to victory available to him. It’s only if Luke suppresses his rage and submits to humility and civility that he can conquer. I love the quote from another source, “you can’t change the way people see the world, but you can change the world they see.” Those of us who expect “political leaders” to guide us to the light are wasting our time. Our political leaders, all of them from both sides of the aisle, profit from our hostility toward each other. They have no incentive to lead us to civility. It’s something we must do for ourselves. We need to embrace our “entrepreneurial spirit” and turn our backs on the “political spirit.” We need to change the world our political competitors see. That’s my sermon for the day!
Ponca I've really tried to have these types of conversations with people on the other side of the fence, and will continue to do so. But continually run into two problems. First, is that Trump is ALL bad, nothing he's done or better yet will do, has any redeeming qualities. Second, by supporting Trump, even partially, I implicitly support racism, sexism etc etc., which can't be further from the truth.
Some people as so ensconced in their own belief system, which is aided and abetted by a dishonest media, dishonest politicians and an almost complete lack of independent analytical synthesis they will never change their minds. How can you have a meaningful discussion with someone like that?
It really is why I continue to believe the US will eventually fracture with a greater emphasis on regional autonomy. The system as currently practiced and promulgated simply doesn't lend itself to anything close to compromises on the national level.
Some people as so ensconced in their own belief system, which is aided and abetted by a dishonest media, dishonest politicians and an almost complete lack of independent analytical synthesis they will never change their minds. How can you have a meaningful discussion with someone like that?
It really is why I continue to believe the US will eventually fracture with a greater emphasis on regional autonomy. The system as currently practiced and promulgated simply doesn't lend itself to anything close to compromises on the national level.
I can’t begin to explain to you how thoroughly I understand what you’re saying. The important thing to learn is to let go of the resentment and rage. It acts as a poison within your body and soul. People are going to think what they think. They have free will! If you maintain your self control, speak calmly and rationally, refuse to get into a bickering shouting match they will eventually come to their senses and begin to listen to you as they recognize you listen to them. Too many of us (and, hell, I may be the worst of us all) listen to the other side only long enough to discern the flaw in their argument and stop listening, waiting for our turn to show them they are fools. They do it, we do it, it’s a bloody contagion! We are destined to see the end of our glorious nationwide experiment in freedom if we don’t put a stop to it. We have to do it ourselves. The elites among us are not going to save us. We must save ourselves. Don’t be discouraged by the tactics of separation. Those tactics can only win if we concede to them and begin to practice them ourselves.
