32.6 Trillion Dollars for Ten Years....

[JimmyBob]

Sounds like a helluva good deal to me:

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/study-medicare-for-all-would-cost-32-6-trillion-over-ten-years/

 

[EvilPOKES]

Sign me the phuck up...

 

[poke2001]

Shut up. It’s free.

 

[anon_xl72qcu5isp39]

Yes, let's hear Republicans pretend to care about fiscal responsibility. Anybody checked on the current state of the deficit?

 

[07pilt]

Even Libertarians admit Medicare for All would save Trillions

 

[poke2001]

Yes, let's hear Republicans pretend to care about fiscal responsibility. Anybody checked on the current state of the deficit?

You understand that neither of the two teams care about fiscal responsibility.

 

[07pilt]

You understand that neither of the two teams care about fiscal responsibility.

I am glad we can finally put this behind us.

 

[Alpha Poke]

Capacity is where it falls down.

That will get worse the longer you get down the road by making it less attractive to be a Dr.

Google U.K. Doctors leaving.

 

[AC_Exotic]

Yes, let's hear Republicans pretend to care about fiscal responsibility. Anybody checked on the current state of the deficit?

He makes a good point.

 

[07pilt]

The government in the US spends more on healthcare per person than countries that have single payer or nationalized health care.

 

[Alpha Poke]

I wonder what immigration and eight years have done to the numbers.

 

[aix_xpert]

So if we do this, do we force doctors to accept Medicare? Or do we expect those doctors to simply drop from the pool? Also, how many of these offices can survive on 100% medicare payout rate? Its intellectually dishonest to not recognize that medicare payout rates are significantly less than private insurance rates and to assume that existing practitioners will accept (or even be able to accept) total reduced payouts without some number exiting the industry isn't realistic. What will that reduction due to the quality of service as well as the quantity of service available?

 

[poke2001]

I think those charts are total bullshit.

 

[07pilt]

So if we do this, do we force doctors to accept Medicare? Or do we expect those doctors to simply drop from the pool? Also, how many of these offices can survive on 100% medicare payout rate? Its intellectually dishonest to not recognize that medicare payout rates are significantly less than private insurance rates and to assume that existing practitioners will accept (or even be able to accept) total reduced payouts without some number exiting the industry isn't realistic. What will that reduction due to the quality of service as well as the quantity of service available?

Yeah completely unreasonable to ask the world's most expensive healthcare system, to remain the world's most expensive healthcare system, but maybe just a little less so.

 

[07pilt]

I think those charts are total bullshit.

compelling.

 

[07pilt]

[bitches non-stop about how expensive healthcare is]
[hears proposal on how to make healthcare less expensive]
"but how will the hospital administrators and insurance CEOs feed their families?"

 

[Bitter Creek]

The government in the US spends more on healthcare per person than countries that have single payer or nationalized health care.

How does our usage of pain killers and the associated costs compare?

 

[poke2001]

compelling.

Just as compelling as a chart filled with bullshit data.

 

[07pilt]

How does our usage of pain killers and the associated costs compare?

 

[07pilt]

Just as compelling as a chart filled with bullshit data.

Lets start with in what way it is bullshit?

 

[07pilt]

Just as compelling as a chart filled with bullshit data.

 

[07pilt]

 

[Bitter Creek]

The point I was wanting to make is that comparing costs is too simple. We also need to look at what all is being bundled into the US healthcare numbers.

I think that pain killers and our use of them impacts the numbers.

 

[07pilt]

 

[07pilt]

 

[07pilt]

 

[07pilt]

The point I was wanting to make is that comparing costs is too simple. We also need to look at what all is being bundled into the US healthcare numbers.

I think that pain killers and our use of them impacts the numbers.

Do you think our pain killer use is endogenous or exogenous to the healthcare system?

 

[Ponca Dan]

With all these charts I can't tell if you're channeling your inner NZ or CSCOTT.

 

[07pilt]

With all these charts I can't tell if you're channeling your inner NZ or CSCOTT.

I am trying to help the visual learners amongst us

 

[07pilt]

 

[07pilt]

 

[07pilt]

 

[Bitter Creek]

Do you think our pain killer use is endogenous or exogenous to the healthcare system?

The US has people that use pain killers and beta blockers non stop at almost epidemic levels by comparison to the other countries in your cost comparison chart.

To get a good apples to apples comparison, the countries would need to have similar care types

 

[poke2001]

Lets start with in what way it is bullshit?

The individual rankings as to quality of care or access to care cannot be measured in any unbiased way.

 

[poke2001]

I am trying to help the visual learners amongst us

He’s finding data to prove a point...but his data is flawed. Every country calculates these rates differently. It’s bullshit data.

 

[07pilt]

The US has people that use pain killers and beta blockers non stop at almost epidemic levels by comparison to the other countries in your cost comparison chart.

To get a good apples to apples comparison, the countries would need to have similar care types

Yeah, but why do you think the US is different in that respect? Could it be the healthcare system?

 

[07pilt]

He’s finding data to prove a point...but his data is flawed. Every country calculates these rates differently. It’s bullshit data.

Wrong.

 

[Bitter Creek]

2nd Line of Questioning: How does the obesity rate in the US compare to other countries and what is the associated impact to the cost comparison?

 

[poke2001]

Wrong.

You are wrong.

Damn that was easy.

 

[Bitter Creek]

Yeah, but why do you think the US is different in that respect? Could it be the healthcare system?

At the risk of giving a very simplistic answer: We are soft and spoiled and we have a lot of greedy people that will help you get addicted to the pain free life.