We probably should just shoot them.
https://theintercept.com/2018/06/08/immigration-family-separation-children/
https://theintercept.com/2018/06/08/immigration-family-separation-children/
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There is no word, just jaw dropping confusion. You are suggesting taking children - in some cases babies - from their mothers, housing them in prison-like conditions, not letting them see their mothers or fathers for weeks or months at a time, is better for them. It’s hard to believe you are serious. Did you read the link?
You don’t think being taken care of by American government workers is better than being chased around by ms-13 or whatever god forsaken country they are fleeing?
I think children are better served being with their mothers and fathers. Did you read the link? It points out that they don’t even know where they are or why they’re here, they were brought here by their parents. Then, even when the parents do exactly as the US government tells them what to do, the kids are ripped away, put in cages like animals. So, no, I do not think the children should be separated from their parents in contravention of international law (law by which the US has agreed to abide). Do you have kids? Would you want them to be forcibly taken from you?
Do exactly as the us government tells them? Like come to a country illegally?
If I was fleeing whatever country or culture these people are trying to get away from, I would take any alternative for my children. They risk death and rape to get here and knowing that my child getting fed and being protected was the alternative that’s all part of the gamble.
Dan, I wish we could take care of the world. I’ve never seen you post about the children of this country that have no choice but to join a gang to protect themselves from the third world cities we have in this country. It sucks, but until the adults decide to change their culture of corruption, murder and selling drugs nothing will change.
Let’s hear your border strategy. What hotel are you putting these families in? How many illegals should we let into this country? 50 million? 250 million?
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So you haven’t read the link. The US has strict policy guidelines for a person to seek refugee status. Even those that follow the guidelines to a T have their children snatched from them, contrary to what they have been promised by our government, and contrary to international law. It is shocking to me that you are OK with that.
I’ll address the rest of your reply later today.
Dan, two questions.
1. Do the parents illegally disregarding our borders bare any responsibility at all for what their actions subject these children to?
2. Do you have a solution that doesn't involve open borders?
1. Do the parents illegally disregarding our borders bare any responsibility at all for what their actions subject these children to?
2. Do you have a solution that doesn't involve open borders?
Sounds like they are treating illegal border crossers like other people that do crimes. Should we treat non-citizens better than citizens?
No matter how much pollyanna horseshit the left can put in the punchbowl; they were/are/always be ILLEGAL. Take it from there.........
1. No, the parents do not have any guilt in this regard.
I think some people in this country have a convoluted understanding of the people that come here. They have the notion that the illegal immigrants want to come here to screw up America like they screwed up their own country. That’s wrong. They were born into a screwed up country, they had nothing to do with making it that way. Most of them endured incredible poverty and privation, little to no education, illiterate, hearing about this miraculous country to the north that promised they could make themselves into anything they were willing to work for.
They were told this is the land that asks for the “the humble masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse.” Come here and be welcome. The Statue of Liberty faces east; do those words only apply to white Europeans?
Many citizens think they’re here for the free stuff. That’s nonsense, they’re here for the opportunity. I work with them every day. They are the hardest working, nicest, most generous people I know. This xenophobic notion that they are here to rob, rape and murder is in grave error.
What our government is doing to these people, who braved all the hardships to get here, who faced robbery, rape, kidnap and murder, things DJT accuses them of, trying to reach the promise they were told America extended. Instead they are treated like animals, their children yanked from their arms by unfeeling bureaucrats (who are only enforcing the law!), children caged and treated like dogs. Sessions is creating a whole generation of potential psycopaths who have been taught not to trust, not to love, not to know compassion. What our country is doing to these people is heinous, mind numbing evil.
The fact that some on this board don’t recognize it for evil, that actually have said it is better for the children this way, that others have said it would be better to just shoot them simply astounds me.
2. I see no solution beyond open borders. For those that worry they will overwhelm the welfare system I say abolish the welfare system.
One thing I do know, what our government is doing in our name is not an appropriate solution. It is a typical governmental solution: introduce violence. I for one am ashamed at what we are doing.
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So a parent knows what they are doing is illegal. And knows what that they are doing has risks. And probably knows what they are doing may result in temporary separation from their children ... and they do it anyway... they have zero responsibility for this?
Illegal children are kept in cages and American children get aborted by the millions by Planned Parenthood under the guise of choice.
Which is the real moral outrage?
Which is the real moral outrage?
They have been told to present themselves to the appropriate facility, fill out the paperwork for refugee status, and nothing untoward will happen to them. They have not been told they will be imprisoned or their children will be taken from them even if they follow the prescribed actions. Have you read a single link I have posted? Every argument defending the action of forcibly removing the children from their parents has been refuted in the links.So a parent knows what they are doing is illegal. And knows what that they are doing has risks. And probably knows what they are doing may result in temporary separation from their children ... and they do it anyway... they have zero responsibility for this?
They are both morally reprehensible outrages. Because we permit abortion on demand does not absolve the outrage discussed in this thread,
So are you are okay with the action if they entered illegally and didn’t fill out paperwork and snuck into country?
P.S. I am not unsympathetic towards the children. It is sad the young children are separated from their parents because of the illegal action of their parents.
But for you to say the parents have no responsibility is not correctly addressing the root cause of the problem.
Btw, looks like immigration bill may end this practice.
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No, practicing evil against children (you do understand many of these kids are 3-4 years old or younger, do you not?) in an attempt to “teach” those criminals for entering our country illegally is not something we should be doing.
Okay, then how should we handle citizens that commit forget or theft? With your policy we should not be temporary jailing them if they have children. How should we change how we handle our own citizens that commit illegal acts?
