MR. TANNER BOYLE said:

Another popular virtuous take is crapping on people facing the brutal reality of some illnesses and working on alternatives while the “smart people” continuously fail to deliver with the advances you mention.

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I don't think anyone here was trying to crap on "people with cancer". That sure seems like a strawman to me, not to mention that it's a pretty crummy thing to accuse someone of doing.

And while I would never want to belittle anything to a cancer patient that was giving them hope, I think there are valid questions about the morality of giving people a false hope in something.

Ponca Dan said:

So what is the hyperbole and what is the figure of speech? Does your man want to impose a 20% tariff on the rest of the world coupled with 60% on China, which he has said explicitly that’s what he’ll do, or is it hyperbole? Or is it a figure of speech? Should we take anything he says literally? If his explicit numbers aren’t literal why did he explicitly say them?

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It’s like a DC telling a defensive end to “rip off the QB’s head and piss down his neck”. Obviously, the intent is not to be left with a headless corpse on the field.

The new handle should be dumbass Dan.

Gabe H Coud said:

I don’t trust the CDC because I know friends and family that had to let their loved ones pass away alone and not attend a funeral while the elites got to party and the CDC said it was ok to march and riot in groups of thousands but not attend my best friends funeral

So don’t fvcking tell me about why I don’t trust the cdc

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I'm pretty sure the CDC never said marching in groups was ok or that elites are allowed to party - those people did so in contravention of CDC guidelines.

OSUBigBadBob said:

The only reason you don't "trust" the CDC is because you have a fundamental lack of understanding of how science/vaccines/pandemics/viruses work. Once you realize that they don't know everything about a new disease immediately, that viruses mutate, that somethings are better safe than sorry and that nothing is 100% effective, you realize they were doing the best they cl with the knowledge they had and as that knowledge developed it was not shocking or even surprising the guidelines and recommendations changed.

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I don’t trust the CDC because I know friends and family that had to let their loved ones pass away alone and not attend a funeral while the elites got to party and the CDC said it was ok to march and riot in groups of thousands but not attend my best friends funeral

So don’t fvcking tell me about why I don’t trust the cdc

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Gabe H Coud said:

Blame the far right all you want but the CDC literally decided to flush every oz of trust during 2020 so it is what it is.

And just based on the guy that beat small cell cancer alone, I know that if, heaven forbid, I am in that same boat one day, I will too try the MD Anderson route and then this cocktail.

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The only reason you don't "trust" the CDC is because you have a fundamental lack of understanding of how science/vaccines/pandemics/viruses work. Once you realize that they don't know everything about a new disease immediately, that viruses mutate, that somethings are better safe than sorry and that nothing is 100% effective, you realize they were doing the best they could with the knowledge they had and as that knowledge developed it was not shocking or even surprising the guidelines and recommendations changed.

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Blame the far right all you want but the CDC literally decided to flush every oz of trust during 2020 so it is what it is.

And just based on the guy that beat small cell cancer alone, I know that if, heaven forbid, I am in that same boat one day, I will too try the MD Anderson route and then this cocktail.

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OSUCAESAR said:

This might be a good time to remind everyone that if you are a Christian, Jews are your arch enemies. Not muslims, not communists, but jews.

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Please reassure us you have not reproduced.

Ponca Dan said:

It may come as a surprise to you to learn that since its inception the state of Israel has slaughtered Muslims by a factor of about ten times more than Muslims have slaughtered Jews.

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Not at all. Israel has killed more Muslims than Muslims have killed Jews in every war Muslims started. That's why the Jews won the wars. Common sense much?

OSUCAESAR said:

This might be a good time to remind everyone that if you are a Christian, Jews are your arch enemies. Not muslims, not communists, but jews.

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Keyboard warrior. You want to tell this Jew to his face? It'll be the last thing you ever utter, you inbred, Nazi fvck.

OSUBigBadBob said:

Hopefully he gets a little more open down the road. We’ve been spoiled with JS being so chatty

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I’d imagine it’ll only get worse if he finds the success we hope for.

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You guys are lucky. My wife isn't a wrestling fan. And she got her college degree from Alabama so you can guess where she places her loyalties. When she questions why I'm so eager to go to a wrestling event, I have to keep explaining to her that it isn't just to watch wrestling. One of the primary reasons I go to the big tournament events is that I get to catch up with old friends across the country. I'm looking forward to meeting you OSU guys too. Whenever I go to future wrestling events, I'll have an even bigger list of people who I'll be looking forward to seeing again, and I'll have an even stronger argument for going when my wife wants me to stay home.

Orange_PhD said:

I just started reading this thread and have mixed feelings all the way around. Big pharma is a business, and people make a lot of money by jacking up the cost of necessary meds. With that said there needs to be incentive to create new meds. Just had a friend die of ALS, and an uncle after Alzheimer’s, I sure wish they would research those.

Dewormer… not something. I believe in. But I have a patient who used it along with his cancer and is in remission. I’d probably use it to.

I don’t prescribe to conspiracy theories involving oncology preventing cancer cures so they can stay in business. I think most of us can agree Fauci let his ego and flat out pride get in the way of how to treat COVID. I do believe in the vaccine and don’t think it was suddenly created. Without this innovation a lot more people would have died of polio, malaria, whooping cough, and many more.

There are a lot of biased studies and a lot of junk science out there. I think wish there were definite answers. We live in a world of misinformation. It’s obvious there are two sides in this thread and I agree with both

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A whole lot of this. ^

"We" forget the innovations of and how vaccines saved so many lives and prevented so many illnesses. They are a victim of their own effectiveness. Big Pharma sucks, which is something I think we can all agree on, as it is driven by and large by profits. The saying of "the plural of anecdote is not data" is a true statement, but anecdotes can (and do) drive valuable research. Drawing this hard lines that so many do draw is just not helpful. There is a lot of profit in misleading just as there is much profit for Big Pharma to push newer more profitable drugs. "Studies" like the one linked pull on hope rather than fact. I do fully understand the desire for many of these inexpensive medications to work, and hope they do or wish they did.

Ultimately, we live pretty unhealth lifestyles, which leads to disease that may required pharmaceuticals to be prescribed. There are absolutely times where crappy diseases pop up with seeming no cause. If you want to f-over Big Pharma, be healthier. Heart disease, hypertension, cancers, other lifestyle diseases are the leading causes of disease and death.

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Sound like a great plan. If only it were true.

Ponca Dan said:

It may come as a surprise to you to learn that since its inception the state of Israel has slaughtered Muslims by a factor of about ten times more than Muslims have slaughtered Jews.

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Maybe if Mooselimbs quit being the aggressor in killing Jews, more Mooselimbs would be alive.

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xplor58 said:

Wow I think some folks on here are not paying full attention to the experiences of others on this board....


It's not like the studies say it's a replacement for but Is an enhancement to or to be used along with current protocols.

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Anecdotal experiences of biased people do not = science, man. Give me a double blind study from a reputable organization that says its effective, and I'll bite. They aren't surpressing valid studies because it's generic. They are saying there is no reason to believe scientifically it will work and most likely its a placebo effect.

Some of this is in other threads, but just for people that see this thread later some of the guys worth mentioning for OSU are:

Jax Forrest (Target): 1 seed at 132#, rolled through bracket and beat 2 seed Seth Mendoza (Mizzou commit) in finals

Devon Miller (Edmond North. NC Commit. Target?): 24 seed at 126# beat the U17 world champ before losing to eventual champion Anthony Knox, then lost in blood round

Aydan Thomas (Stillwater. Target?): 16 seed at 120# lost to 1 seed and finished 5th.

Ignacio Villasenor (Stillwater move in, Target): 1 seed at 113# lost in semis to 4 seed Johnathan McGinty and finished 5th.

Landon Robideau: (OSU Commit): 1 seed at 150# rolled to a finals win

Michael Mocco (Target): 1 seed at HWT lost in finals 5-0 to the 2 seed Dean Bechtold (Nebraska commit)

Ethan Teague (Commit): 7 seed at 175# lost to 10 seed then battled back to finish 7/8

Beau Hickman (Commit): 10 seed at 150# lost to 7 seed Blake Cosby (who made finals) then lost to 5 seed Chas Van Hoven on backside to finish 7/8.

Devon Harrison (Commit) : Unseeded at 126# lost his first match to 15 seed Sammy Spaulding, won 3 matches then lost to 19 seed Nicholas Sorrow on backside

Kaden Purler (Commit): Unseeded at 144# lost in second round then lost early on backside to 13 Seed Hunter Stevens

Ronnie Ramirez (Commit): 3 seed at 126# lost to 2 seed Aaron Seidel in semis, then medically forfeited to 4 seed Nathan Desmond on backside

Bo Bassett (Long Shot Target): 1 seed at 144# absolutely dominated his way to the finals where he won a barn burner against 2 seed Daniel Zepeda (NC State Commit - great pick up for them if they can keep him).

An interesting sidebar is Roklin Zinkin, a recent OSU commit did not compete. But another Zinkin did - Nikade Zinkin (brothers?) who recently committed to Nebraska. He was the 3 seed at 144# and lost to Zepeda and then lost the consi semis and in the 5th place match to finish 6th.

There may be a couple more I missed. Commits Lockett, Routledge, Austin Johnson and Ish Guerrero didn't wrestle,

fatman76 said:

So racist.

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Getting more and more desperate

I'm lucky. You'd be hard pressed to find a woman that loves OSU wrestling more than my wife. She'd be mad at me if we DID'NT go lol!